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DougInRB
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Re: Transient or Persistent?
DougInRB   5/20/2014 2:04:14 PM
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A big data disaster is not a matter of 'if', it is a matter of 'when'.

I can live without electricity for a month or so.  If it is longer than that, I will need to find enough gas to get to my uncle's farm.

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Re: Transient or Persistent?
Max The Magnificent   5/20/2014 12:33:25 PM
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JPlasma: ...if a Carrington Class solar event takes out the power grid in an industrial nation like the US...

I tremble to think...  It woudl be disasterous now -- and the more we grow to rely on our communications systems and (soon) our AR systems -- the more catestrophic the loss will be.

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Transient or Persistent?
JPlasma   5/20/2014 12:29:27 PM
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IF systems are down for a 3-5 days, that is one scenario, and hopefully hospitals and 1st responders are prepared to maintain care & support services in that situation.  But if a Carrington Class solar event takes out the power grid in an industrial nation like the US, I think a new level of respect will be turned toward communitees (such as the Amish) that have foregone electric power in all sectors of society.

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Re: let's play "bet you life"...
Max The Magnificent   5/20/2014 9:27:38 AM
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@MWagner: Max - always enjoy your articles. [...] Recently called up a local airport to ask if they had some charts I need for an upcoming flight only to be told they don't carry them anymore.  People are using I-pads in the cockpit.

Thanks for the kind words. This reminds me of when I was going to DAC in New Orleans abour 12 or more years ago. My daughter who was about 20 at the time said she would come as my personal assistant, so I gave her the hotel name and address and said "Get us directions" ... she immediately went onto the Internet.

When we were driving down, I said "You remember how you got these directions... I first went to New Orleans with your mom imn 1990, which was three years before the Internet?" (I didn't get into any of the details abiout ARPANET).

Her immediate response was "How did you know howe to get there?"

I replied "We had these paper things called maps!"

 

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Max The Magnificent   5/20/2014 9:19:03 AM
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@betajet: Answer #3: Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley

Shelly was always there with a cheeky grin and a merry quip -- life and soul of the party -- wasn't he? LOL

Seriously, this is a haunting piece of prose ... it certainly gives one pause for thought.

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let's play "bet you life"...
MWagner_MA   5/20/2014 7:19:57 AM
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Max - always enjoy your articles.  This one I decided to jump in on because of an experience recently.  I"m a EE by trade, but a private pilot for fun (general aviation not ommercial).  Recently called up a local airport to ask if they had some charts I need for an upcoming flight only to be told they don't carry them anymore.  People are using I-pads in the cockpit.  Now I can appreciate it may be convient, but using a map isn't that inconvient to use.  I don't want to be at 6,000ft over a very uniform landscape (every fly low over Massachusetts?) with no map and only 1 hr of fuel.


Depending heavily on electronics without a backup plan is best left to the miltary side where they can afford the design rigor and testing necessary to make it 'safe enough".  Our cars are going to get too expensive if you make the electronics reliable enough to reach that level of safety.  Yes, I know we have "drive by wire" for steering, but their will be a limit as to how much "high quality" electronics we can afford in a car.

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Ozymandias
betajet   5/19/2014 8:45:29 PM
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Max asked:  What happens if we get used to relying on all this stuff, and a disaster like a mega-computer virus brings down all our systems?  What will we do if the data stops flowing?

Answer #1: E.M. Forster describes this at length in The Machine Stops (1909).

Answer #2: Humanity or whatever species evolves to replace it gets the fun of re-discovering all these things all over again -- just like the last time!

Answer #3: Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley:

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert.  Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains.  Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

 

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