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alex_m1
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alex_m1   6/26/2014 4:33:14 PM
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> that the way he thought about embedded systems .. "I can't define it but I know it when I see it"

Max: That's the way i think about specifications.

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alex_m1   6/26/2014 4:31:05 PM
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> fondling my ceramic-packaged 4004 CPU :-)

:)


@max: the 4004 is trully an amazing chip. The only chip which the schematic is smaller than the chip itself :)

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Sheepdoll   6/26/2014 2:29:38 PM
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Three pages of bacon since I went to bed last night?  Where are the bagels and donughts.

I supose we will never ever define this.  Sill I say it comes down to usage as I noted in my blog comment.

Blade Servers and other distributed virtual cores can do embedded things like sequecence or stream video.  This to me is an embedded activity. The inverse of the setop box.

I am seriously thinking of using Smart phones/Tablets to replace the LCD display and play record stop buttons on the pipe organ player.  Currently my 'LCD display" is actually a VFD controlled by an Atmel Mega over I2C.   What different then is the tablet reciving over Blue tooth LE, the same protocol.  Like the topological definition where the coffee cup is equal to the bagel or donught.  In this case the Tablet is the same as the LCD (with dedicated Hitachi controller) Or the VFD with the AVR running the same Shift register protocol.

 

 

 

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
mhrackin   6/26/2014 1:59:27 PM
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Let's ask the OTHER 83 people who voted the way I did.... I don't consider the iPad a "real" computer either (if only because it only runs apps, not applications); however, it is less "embedded" than the general concept of the smartphone IMO.

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
Max The Magnificent   6/26/2014 1:50:50 PM
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@mhrackin: Because 95% of what you talked about here "comes with the package."

And this would differ from an iPad, how?

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
mhrackin   6/26/2014 1:47:43 PM
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Because 95% of what you talked about here "comes with the package."  Most so-called "apps" are mostly glorified HMIs for the functions "embedded" in the smartphone.  I've got 20+ on my iPhone and NONE of them would do anything if it were not for the subsystems (cell network interface, GPS, graphics, etc.) of the smartphone as it comes out of the box.

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
Max The Magnificent   6/26/2014 1:36:11 PM
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@mhrackin...like the majority of voters, I drew the line between smartphones and tablets.

But a smartphone can run apps like a tablet, play music like a tablet, take pics and videos like a tabler, display pics and videos like a tablet ... plus you can use it to makr phone calls -- so in what way is this embedded? (He asked, mischievously)

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
mhrackin   6/26/2014 1:21:11 PM
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@david:

I voted precisely the same way.  I find it much easier to define what an embedded system is NOT: if it runs 3rd-party commercially-available self-contained SW applications, then it's NOT an embedded system.  Just about anything else is (because it includes tightly-integrated HW/SW/FW???).  Could be anything from an electronic thermometer to a giant particle accelerator!  Another way to look at it is general-purpose vs. dedicated purpose.  There are devices that blur the boundaries (like smartphones) but like the majority of voters, I drew the line between smartphones and tablets.  The former are 'pure" embedded, the latter not.  That's true for me because even though some tablets are "appliances" in terms of including a specific set of applications, they still are pretty much general-purpose to the user.

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Garcia-Lasheras   6/26/2014 10:37:00 AM
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This looks like a sequel of the SAW movie saga. Max roped to an uncomfortable chair in front of a huge 4K TV. Then a marathon of different series starred by Tory Spelling starts and slowly, a rusty oldering iron appears in front of the chair... What would you do?

Do you prefer a permanent brain mutilation... or just to take your eyes out (hint: you can use the soldering iron in your ears too) jajaja

Disclaimer: of course, this is my only a tip of the Spanish humour and it's not endorsed by the powers that be here at EE Times... LOL

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Re: Is there such thing called Embedded System?
Max The Magnificent   6/26/2014 10:23:14 AM
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@Garcia: ...I felt in love with the blonde girl -- not the daughter of the producer, the gourgeous one...

The daughter of the producer has another show about her endless trials and tribulations with her pain-in-the-bottom husband.

There was also a mini-series about the mother selling the family home -- an unbelievably huge monstrosity decorated dreadfully and exhibiting excess t omake your eyes water -- such as having THREE special rooms whose sole purposes was to wrap gifts for things like Christmas... I'm still reeling with the shock

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