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# Are Kids No Longer Learning Multiplication Tables in School?

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Dependent on smart phones
2/22/2017 11:53:37 AM
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I hadn't thought about multiplication tables in a while, but I just checked, and as far as I can tell I still know most of them.

As much as I hate to admit it, when I need to do even a simple calculation like Ohm's law, I've gotten in the habit of pulling out my smart phone and opening ElectroDroid.  It makes lot of sense to do that for the more complex formulas, but it has now become habit even for the easy ones.

You mention GPS (car navigation) in your article- That too has spoiled me. I used to be able to easily plan a route around town from point A to point B, but not now.  Even on a repetitve route like going home from the office I tend to open the GPS because I get alerts of traffic jams and accidents, and advice on how to route around them.

I think we've been lulled into a false sense of security by becoming dependent on these gadgets.  ....and the cost is that we're losing the ability to do these simple tasks by ourselves.

Are kids allowed to use smart phones and other forms of voice recognition while in class?

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What table should we stop at
2/22/2017 12:03:15 PM
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@Max:-)

I took the easy way with my two children learning maths, we let them have a calculator without a display just a keypad.

The whole thing was built like an Owl and had a left red led eye and a right green led eye. They could type in thier sum and then their answer. if it was the right answer the green eye lighted and if wrong the red eye glowed. Surfice to say they learnt thier tables up to 12, Why 12, in a decimal world?

In the pre metric British days we had counting sytems based on 10, 12, 14,16,20,240 and a load more so why did we stop at 12?

When I took my HNC exams ,calculators had only just been allowed, but I still kept with my slide rule as it was and still is faster than a calculator and probably gives the level of accuracy required in most calculations. Yes and I look like a smug old man in that I can use a straight with end flip, a circular and spiral slide rule.

I love people that divide 10.29 by 73 and quote 0.1409589 probably only 2 places is reqired for most accuracy.

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Re: What table should we stop at
2/22/2017 12:17:08 PM
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@Crusty: I took the easy way with my two children learning maths, we let them have a calculator without a display just a keypad...

They had a keypad? We used to dream about having a keypad (shades of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen sketch)

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2/22/2017 12:21:15 PM
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@Rcurl: ...I think we've been lulled into a false sense of security by becoming dependent on these gadgets.  ....and the cost is that we're losing the ability to do these simple tasks by ourselves...

I just went to the production bay downstairs -- they have a bunch of 20-something lads down there. One admitted to not being able to read a map at all, one thought that there were 10 planets in the solar system (and this was after he'd taken Pluto away because he remembered it had been demoted to a Dwarf Planet), and one thought there were 23 letters in the English alphabet...

If you'll excuse me, I think I'll go and have a little cry...

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Re: What table should we stop at
2/22/2017 12:24:45 PM
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@Max: We used to dream about having a keypad

We was happy if we had napiers bones.

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Re: What table should we stop at
2/22/2017 12:43:31 PM
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@Crusty: We was happy if we had napiers bones.

Luxury! We used to dream about having an abacus with more than one bead!

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2/22/2017 12:44:49 PM
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>> We used to dream about having an abacus with more than one bead!

Although it was useful for (very simple) binary calculations LOL

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Re: What table should we stop at
2/22/2017 12:58:47 PM
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you win

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calculators...
2/22/2017 4:26:11 PM
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The mention of science fiction stories reminded me of one I read in the dim and distant past.  I think by Arthur C Clarke (likely as he's my fave SF Author).  A spaceship is stranded at the outer edges of the solar system, and the guidance system crashes irretrievably.  A guy in the crew whose grandfather used to use an abacus gets the ship's handyman to make up some abacuses (abaci?? :-) and someone who knows a bit about celestial mechanics gets everyone calculating their trip home.

Anyone remember that one?

I cannot imagine life without being able to do multiplucation in my head...even though I have a calculator on had most of the time (on my phone).  Scary stuff.

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Re: calculators...
2/22/2017 4:36:52 PM
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@David: ...A spaceship is stranded at the outer edges of the solar system, and the guidance system crashes irretrievably.  A guy in the crew whose grandfather used to use an abacus gets the ship's handyman to make up some abacuses...

I think you're talking about "Into the Comet" by Arthur C. Clarke.

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