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zeeglen
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zeeglen   3/10/2011 6:17:15 AM
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Age discrimination and reliance on keyword matching by hiring personnel with no comprehension of what the the job actually requires. There was a time when hiring managers were technical, but not any more.

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kdboyce   3/10/2011 6:48:10 AM
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Another problem is advice on providing one page resumes, or other resume formats which effectively abbreviate experience and substitute buzz words or action verbs which supposedly attract the company recruiters. I advocate putting all relevant experience down, and using personal contacts to get the resume in front of an appropriate hiring manager...the one who is going to have that employee on their headcount roster.

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phoenixdave   3/10/2011 2:21:14 PM
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After reading articles and speaking with recruiters and "resume experts" in the recent past, a few things become obvious; there is no consensus about the best format for a resume, everyone does things differently so advice you receive from one will likely not apply to another, and each person thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong. Recruiters for companies that receive large numbers of resumes for an open position use data analysis tools to select keywords that are provided by the requesting manager as a first cut so if your resume does not contain those keywords it will never be seen. One common thread in most of these recruiters is they are typically young and likely see the tools as very 'efficient' without realizing how 'ineffective' they can be in finding the "best overall candidate". If the manager determines they found a good person for the position, they conclude the tool works. If the manager is not happy with the choices they conclude the quality of the respondents was poor and repost the ad to receive more resumes for the "software analysis". Rarely do they blame the ineffectiveness of the methods they use.

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lcovey   3/10/2011 5:10:26 PM
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I decided to leave the salaryman world after I had dinner with a very high-level HR executive with HP a couple of decades ago. I have confirmed much of what she said with CEOs and lawyers over the years since. My friend told me that the job of Human Resources is not to hire people. The job is to keep the company from getting sued because of the hiring and firing processes. If you go to an HR rep to report harassment of dangerous working conditions, the HR rep is not trying to protect you, but the company. They are about as friendly to employees as Internal Affairs is to police officers. The forms you fill out and the resumes you submit are not searched for qualifications, but for potential litigious minefields. With all the various lawsuits, discrimination laws and safety regulations in place, it is virtually impossible, even 20 years ago, to find a job candidate that could fit into the narrow confines of a safe employee. If you are the best qualified person for a job, you can be sure that HR paid absolutely no attention to that qualification, except to put it in the file of people with similar and lesser qualifications for the very same job. That's why being seriously involved in social media is absolutely required for any job candidate and the ability to network through those channels. Two out of three hires, as pointed out in the panel, get the job because someone pushed them through the HR department without stopping for a chat.

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Brian Fuller2   3/10/2011 5:38:51 PM
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To KD Boyce and Phoenix Dave... one of the things that emerged from the panel is the average resume gets a recruiter's attention for a maximum of five seconds. To me, that suggests resumes intended for onlinre distribution have to be crafted in a completely different manner. I think Phoenix Dave is probably right that there's no consensus, but doesn't that surprise you? We've come up with consensus on how to present digital content in other areas (videos, news stories, email newsletters), you'd think there'd be some consensus around resumes.

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Brian Fuller2   3/10/2011 5:39:56 PM
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And by the way, those online hired gun sites (Odesk, eLance, etc.) I would not recommend to anyone who doesn't want to diminish their hourly rate by a factor of 10.

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krisi   3/11/2011 4:45:08 PM
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Brian, the basic premise of your article is that there are engineering jobs out there but unemployed people somehow do not manage to properly apply for them...if that was the case the problem would be tactical, basically how to make process of finding right engineers more efficient...but I think the problem is more fundamental, there are simply no engineering jobs in North America, they are all in Asia now! Kris

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Brian Fuller2   3/11/2011 6:51:04 PM
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Kris, thanks for your comment. I think it's a complex issue. Surely you are right that many jobs are being created overseas, but I have to think that the relentless surge of electronics creation expands the overall pie. But, that said, more experienced engineers I think become victims of ageism in that they command high salaries and, north of 50 years old, are expensive on a company's health care plan. CFOs want their companies to compete with lower-salaried companies in Asia, hence "no jobs." I mentioned this on the panel and we didn't burrow down that trail too much. But it needs to be studied.

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zeeglen   3/11/2011 8:44:13 PM
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Yup. Right. You got it. Absolutely. Illegal, but nobody can do anything about it, too hard to prove. I need to prune another 10 years of experience off my own resume...

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ese002   3/11/2011 9:19:52 PM
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The unemployed do not get hired because they are not "safe" choices. All the electronic filtering and hr screening is about finding safe choices, not about making good choices. A safe choice is one that can be quickly justified to someone who doesn't know the particulars of the situation. Being unemployed at any time, regardless of the economy, means that some will think "maybe there is something wrong with this person". Not safe. Referrals work because someone trusted is taking some of the responsibility for the decision.

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