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Who needs a hybrid?

Rick DeMeis
5/24/2011 07:43 PM EDT

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BicycleBill
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BicycleBill   5/24/2011 8:10:05 PM
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You realy are living the good life, checking out all these latest vehicles! Good for you....

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MButts   5/24/2011 8:36:31 PM
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I paid less than $22K for my 2010 Toyota Prius hybrid hatchback a year ago, with bluetooth and all that. Much nicer and roomier car than the Cruze, and normal long-wearing tires too. This month I did a Portland / Salt Lake City round trip of 1600 miles at 70-75 mph on the cruise control, no hypermiling, and got 48 mpg. Beats flying.

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Bert22306   5/24/2011 10:18:15 PM
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Yes, but aside from current acquisition costs, a hybrid would get vastly superior city driving fuel economy. Hybrids typically get higher fuel economy in city driving than they do on the open road, which is actually logical, if you think about it. I do NOT like the idea of having to lug around two power trains. I also do not like the idea of battery-powered electrics potentially creating a lot more demand on the power grid. But it's very hard to deny that for city driving, where non-hybrids waste a huge amount of energy in brake heat and idling at red lights, having a battery to recylce the energy makes a whole lot of sense. Very slow stop and go traffic should not be where most of the gasoline gets used, in an ideal world.

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625kinc   5/25/2011 2:06:41 PM
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The Cruze Eco is a bigger threat to the Jetta/Golf TDI diesels. It has nearly identical passenger and cargo space and mileage that all but matches the TDI diesels. But another contender is the Hyundai Elantra which has similar, impressive numbers. These newer designs are still burning so much fuel that on the highway, the Prius has roughly 75-80% lower fuel costs. In city and traffic jammed freeways, the Prius burns less than 50% of these new designs. But they are competitive with the hybrid sedans like the Ford Fusion and Camry Hybrid. In contrast, the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight have awesome mileage and the new Honda Civic Hybrid looks to have similar fuel efficiency improvements. Bob Wilson

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anon9303122   5/25/2011 2:49:20 PM
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2005 Jetta (last Mark IV year), $15,500 out the door, taxes, title, registration. Lifetime fuel mileage 29.1 MPG (as of last month 103,666 miles, 3556.672 gallons, $9,408.60). Highway mileage @ 75 MPH = 31-32 MPG @ 65 MPH = 34-35 MPG. Yes, I am anal. I have every receipt(or at least written record when the machine was broken) and an Excel spreadsheet. Compared to the hybrids, I'm still driving for FREE !!

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kkersey   5/25/2011 4:32:58 PM
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The ~$20K difference in cost between the Eco CRUZE and the VOLT could pay for a lot of gas! Or...you could pay an additional ~$30K and put up solar panels to charge the Volt and eliminate the use of gas altogether. I'd like to see a financial analysis of these 3 scenarios: super-efficient conventional car, hybrid, solar-charged EV. Sadly, the ROI break-even of the solar-charged EV will be 30-50 years...assuming the car lasts that long.

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MButts   5/25/2011 6:01:27 PM
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Pure electric cars like the Leaf are early-adopter products just like the latest smartphones, tablets, or any other electronic product. They are at the beginning of the cost-volume curve. Early adopters buy EVs because of the exciting technology and the desire to participate in its arrival.

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cdhmanning   5/25/2011 10:19:59 PM
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Solar charged EV might be viable if you work night shift. Unfortunately most people use their car during the day and want it to charge at night.... when the PV doesn't work!

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jackOfManyTrades   5/26/2011 7:16:39 AM
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Are you expecting me to be impressed? My Ford Galaxy (large 7-seater like a Chrysler Voyager) has been giving me 50mpg from a regular 1.8l diesel engine for the last four years. (That's 40mpg for your smaller US gallons). I'm just in the process of ordering a smaller 7-seater (VW Touran), which based on the emmisions figures, should return about 70mpg from a 1.6l fancy diesel engine (56m per US g).

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crwilliams   5/26/2011 7:12:38 PM
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Thing I find odd is that GM is now presenting vehicles in the US market that it has had in the European market for 10 years! There are also some very respectable diesel engines from Ford, GM, BMW, Audi, etc. that have as much acceleration as a gas engine, are as quiet as a gas engine, drive just like a gas engine, and give 25% more 'gas' mileage per gallon. Why don't we have those here?

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