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Opinion: The Obama administration promotes outsourcing

Ron Hira
2/4/2009 02:00 PM EST

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halherta
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halherta   4/14/2009 3:03:36 PM
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Electrical Engineering as a career is over in N.America. There is absolutely no point in pursuing it any further. The last 50 years were good but I think We've reached a saturation point in terms of technology advancement as well as our standard of living. The only way to get out of this is via a new technological revolution.....but I doubt this will happen anytime soon

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Suneecat   2/23/2009 5:30:39 PM
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Clearly at this time there is absolutely no need for H1-B visas. There are enough talented and capable US Engineers available. The companies that would have you think otherwise are simply incompetent or too lazy to recruit the available talent. Policies should be amended by the government to assure that the H1b visa and similar programs are not abused. For example, only grant visas if the unemployment rate is below 3%. Write to your congressman/woman, your senators and to the President. Ask them to fix this.

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AmericanProgrammer   2/10/2009 3:26:52 PM
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Come on, there is alot of engineering talent in the U.S.. Remember software and hardware technologies were invented in the U.S.. Digital ASCII hardware technologies, software technologies, Defense department technologies, and Space department technologies. The U.S. has been the innovator and leader for technology in the World. Also, H1-B visas has been exploited by more than a few dishonest companies. Try 8 out of 10 visa awards have been to Indian outsourcing firms and not U.S. companies. Talk about fraud. I welcome all overseas competition, not dishonest and unfair competition by overseas governments trying to steal American jobs. OUTLAW ALL H1-B VISAS WHEN AMERICANS NEED THOSE JOBS. GO BACK HOME TO WORK IF YOU THINK IT IS SO GREAT IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

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gutieaphd   2/9/2009 9:27:34 PM
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Outsourcing and H1B visas are two different discussions. The H1B program may have been abused by a few dishonest companies, but has allowed many more small companies to attract unique talent to the US that made them more competitive and eventually viable. Small companies cannot afford to go around the world opening R&D centers, they need to recruit talent locally. I came as student, worked under H1B, produced multiple patents and products, started three companies, employed US workers in a depressed regional economy, and I have even invested in startups started by US entrepreneurs. Among my university friends, not less than 10 used H1B visas, most of them are successful executives, paid far, far more than the average salary. Three of them started companies, two achieved reasonable liquidity and one is now a very large investor and venture capitalists following an spectacular liquidity event. He is an engineer. There are several studies that show an unusually high correlation between engineering and scientific immigration and high achievement in their careers, including very high level of participation on VC backed startups. Do you really think that the US would be better off limiting temporal work under H1-B leading to green card and US Citizenship? The people I know no only did not take jobs except over the first 5 years but have created 100's of jobs for other not very entrepreneurial engineers.

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AmericanProgrammer   2/6/2009 8:38:04 AM
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Also, we need Congress to make U.S. companies that use countries like China and India to manufacture our goods to ADHERE to our environmental and worker laws or no thanks. To allow countries like China to DEVESTATE our oceans and atmosphere to make cheaper U.S. goods by our direction is totally unexceptable, immoral, and criminal. STOP U.S. companies from exploiting foreign workers and our environment for CEO bonuses. Anyone can make money taking the criminal route by lying and taking advantage of under privilege people. Greed is evil and will destroy the world. I don't want to eat poisoned seafood and food products made by foreign criminals. Also, global warming has only accelerated the past years due to the industrial globalization of China and India by the U.S.. Corporate rape and greed is going to kill us all.

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AmericanProgrammer   2/6/2009 8:23:36 AM
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I welcome competition, but not H1-B visas where U.S. companies have abused them to replace American workers in the U.S. and train their replacements. Outlaw ALL H1-Bs when there is a surplus of American software and hardware developers out of work. Congress granted H1-Bs to bring in overseas help when there is an American worker shortage and NOT for replacing with lower wage help. MAKE COMPANIES STOP ABUSING H1-B visas. I have witnessed the worst software in the world that was written overseas. Many U.S. companies have been duped by the lure of cheaper software development overseas only to find out that these people cannot deliver quality and schedule. I welcome all overseas competition!

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pepolak   2/6/2009 3:48:45 AM
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In Business there is no compromise. Win or lose. The U.S. has decided to be a business a long time ago. We have already lost to China, India, Europe and we are going to lose in S America soon. We have no future in S.T.E.M. careers anymore. That was where we thought we had an edge. Politician, lawyers, academic professionals will not make U.S. strong. I ask everyone, What will?

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Stillwater0   2/5/2009 10:51:45 PM
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Perhaps the solution is to outlaw H1Bs, outlaw outsourcing and make a law setting engineering salaries at $1M per year. If attracting new people to the engineering will solve our problems, that ought to do the trick. On the other hand, having the government micromanage the economy is probably harmful. We have run the socialism experiment many times and it always fails. It probably makes the most sense to let businesses do what is financially most sensible for them. Historically, when all businesses prosper, the national economy prospers. Also historically, when people make the best short term decisions, it tends to work out best in the long run. As John Maynard Keynes said, "In the long run, we are all dead." If it is not obvious that making good short run decisions leads to a favorable outcome, perhaps it is more obvious that making a series of bad short term decisions will lead to a bad outcome. In any event, it is presumptious to think that business people do not do the best that they can to "make money now and in the future." Any idiot can lose money now for a hypothetical future which may not materialize. The only thing for certain when you lose money now for a future benefit is that you WILL lose money now.

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brian_m   2/5/2009 9:14:11 PM
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Outsourcing is championed by those who are incapable of taking the long view. If America continues to outsource jobs, it will discourage our youth from pursuing engineering careers. That will eventually make us dependent on foreign technology. Already we see this dependency in the communications field, as an increasing amount of fiber optic components, for example, are made in China. Outsourcing can also harm America's security, as we will no longer own the technolgy necessary to defend ourselves. And what about the quality of the work that is outsourced? I can tell you from experience that although the goods and/or talent may be less expensive, the quality is often not there. One poster cited the difference between domestic and foreign cars in his parking lot. Poor example. He is comparing apples to oranges. The auto industry's downfall was the UAW and its high cost of benefits and work rules, not the cost of US engineering salaries. Engineers have no UAW. If the Big 3 had non-union labour, they could afford to spend more on creating compelling products. If you want a better comparison of quality of foreign goods to US goods, take a look at the equipment in your lab, and compare the quality of asian equipment to Tek or HP gear. Often products from countries such as China are less expensive than Western products because those countries do not have cumbersome environmental regulations, as well as worker health and safety regulations. In the long run, that cannot stand, nor should it. Eventually Chinese and Indian products will rise in cost to become more comparable to Western goods, as Japanese products have. As for foreign of H1-B workers, I can tell you that often they lack the good communication skills of their US counterparts. I do not expect US firms to end outsourcing on their own voluntarily, for obvious reasons. therefore I hope that the new administration will take action on this and curtail outsourcing and H1-B visas. In short, it's all about providing an incentive for our youth to pursue a carrer that we hope can still be found on these shores, so that America can still posess the talent it needs to compete and to defend itself.

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gutieaphd   2/5/2009 7:59:06 PM
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The decision to outsource is primarily a cost cutting decision impacting industrial segments that are maturing and where innovation has already slowed down. Insourcing, that is bringing people from outside to innovate in the US happens more easily at the risky front end of technologies. Surely large companies, competing for diminishing margins in slowly evolving fields, will find to their advantage to outsource. Conversely, young companies, most of the time smaller, competing at the leading edge of technologies will tend to have their teams working closely together thus avoiding outsourcing. The Internet has made easier to outsource some functions, however true innovation and large scale value creation are still the realm of young entrepreneurial companies, here in the US and around the world. The only concern I have as as outsourcing is to have a cross-over situation of outsourcing with insourcing in the form of foreign workers hired in their local markets and brought to deliver services in the US in short stays. This illegal practice, that some software companies have engaged, can erode my argument and the laws we have in place should be enforced against companies that engage in these practices. Vast regions of the US have lost their entrepreneurial roots; much of the argument against and fear about outsourcing come from people trying to avoid progression in their career towards leadership and entrepreneurial roles. Those that create their own jobs have no reason to fear from outsourcing since it opens entire new possibilities for entrepreneurial spirits.

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