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Java's father says Oracle is “in the right”

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PAul_in_USA
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PAul_in_USA   4/30/2012 7:31:22 PM
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If this lawsuit is successful or Google capitulates I fear we will have a great many dollars rifled out of our pockets by a company that could end up in a Microsoft-like position; turning the tables on the biggest in the industry. No matter what, I will continue to root for Google and the consumer.

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Embedded SW Dev   4/30/2012 7:53:16 PM
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Both the C and C++ standards are copyright by ISO. Does this mean that the SSO of the C and C++ libraries are such that anyone who implements those libraries needs a license from ISO via their national body? I would hope not. This is the same argument Oracle is making about Java, and it needs to fail. Oracle, if successful in their lawsuit, will kill Java as a language, and forever stop proprietary languages from becoming popular without permissive licensing. Perhaps this is a good thing. On the patent side, either Sun didn't do a very good job of patenting JVM inventions, or didn't actually have many novel ideas in the JVM, which makes it difficult for Oracle to prevail on patents.

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cdhmanning   5/2/2012 3:31:04 AM
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Stack-based VMs have been around for a long time. For example, the UCSD Pascal suite of the 1970's used a VM called p-code and there were numerous other examples. Having worked on both p-code and JVMs, I struggle to see that the JVM has any huge leaps of invention past p-code beyond the addition of exception handling and garbage collection - features apparent in other VMs such as some LISP systems and postscript.

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rick merritt   5/1/2012 6:09:00 PM
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Dr. Dobb's editor has a good take on the subject here: http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/232901227

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t.alex   5/1/2012 10:41:53 PM
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Gosling should be protecting his own creation, favoring the 'Sun' side.

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rick merritt   5/1/2012 11:53:04 PM
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He is, with reservations.

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cdhmanning   5/2/2012 3:22:58 AM
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Ultimately the opinions of an engineer have no bearing on the matter. All that matters is the legal position. As for the Dalvik VM, there is a very valid technical purpose for such a thing. It is not just some attempt to wiggle off a legal hook. Dalvik can be implemented more efficiently than JVM on many architectures.

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t.alex   5/2/2012 1:16:06 PM
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Yes, it is so. Java apps used to run on phones before but with little impression. Dalvik VM did improve a lot.

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Neo10   5/2/2012 3:55:29 AM
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The google android site features a detailed video by it's engineer on what constitues the Dalvik VM and how it is different from JVM. I suppose google to have taken all necessary precautions to this effect.

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rick merritt   5/2/2012 8:51:44 PM
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I'd love to hear a bit more about what are the specific technical goodies that make Dalvik superior to the Java VM. ...and analysis from objective s/w engineers about whether you believe it.

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cpns   5/3/2012 11:23:02 AM
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@Embd SW netwk: No the *documents* are copyright. Using the documents to produce a compliant implementation is not breach of the document copyright. Purchasing the document alone *is* purchasing a licence to implement a compliant product. Copyright and patent are not the same thing, though they both deal with intellectual property. One is about original content, the other about original invention.

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EREBUS0   5/5/2012 7:40:24 PM
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I new this would happen when Oracle purchased the company. Oracle has NEVER been a user friendly company and I refuse to knowingly use any of its products.

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t.alex   5/9/2012 12:30:00 PM
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Oracle wins already.. Patent is doing no good to the society but the commercial company.

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