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Bert22306
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Bert22306   10/18/2012 6:11:44 PM
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Not very surprising? This same phenomenon happened decades ago in the US. Why wouldn't it be Japan's turn now? TVs are a mature product segment. And TV makers have been really slow even to upgrade them in a credbile way for Internet access. So even such a seemingly simple way to add value to TVs has been squandered, for whatever reasons. You'd expect the lowest cost manufacturing countries to be the only ones that can continue to produce TVs competitively, under these conditions.

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microe   10/18/2012 9:49:40 PM
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There are so many areas China and Japan can co-operate. It happened before and is happening between China and South Korea. It is really sad for both Japanese and Chinese that things are not moving in the right direction. China suffers although Japan may suffer more due to the down trend she is already in. It is lose-lose between China and Japan. It is surprising why those politicians wanted to do it.

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krisi   10/18/2012 11:16:04 PM
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Good point Bert, I am puzzled why I can't have my Internet on my TV...the signal comes from the same coax cable...I just got Apple TV to go over that hurdle but my iPad doesn't play flash so there are limitations...Kris

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sprite0022   10/19/2012 12:23:03 AM
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dont worry junko, japanese folks are blessed with talents. their skill in making (cheap) cameras is still monopolying. germans, uh... they seems don't know how to make sub $5000 camera.

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gasdfnq   10/19/2012 7:54:47 PM
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I believe camera and camcorder market share will be stolen by smart phone. I have rarely used camera and camcorder since i have a smart phone.

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DMcCunney   10/20/2012 3:02:05 AM
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I suspect Japan's problems here are fundamentally political. From a business standpoint, the Japanese TV makers should exit that line of business. They can't make money, are racking up massive losses, and the current territorial dispute with China simply underscores the issues. (I question whether the drop in sales in China is material to the losses: if you aren't making money on a product, and may be losing money on each sale, selling less may be a Good Thing.) The problem is that actually getting *out* of the TV business will require major layoffs, yet more expenses to write off the remaining value of the TV business, and a rather serious loss of face for "Japan, Inc." I think whether this happens will be a government decision, and the question is whether this is a step the Japanese government is capable of taking. Making the admission "We can't compete in TV, and should cut our losses and stop trying." will come hard for all concerned. (I also wonder what the Japanese government *thought* would happen when they asserted control over the disputed islands, and whether the strength of the Chinese reaction was an unpleasant surprise.)

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DMcCunney   10/20/2012 3:17:32 AM
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It's actually not a surprise if you look at history. One of the underlying issues for Japan for a *long* time has been an inferiority complex vis its much larger neighbor. Consider the Tale of Genji, considered the first novel and the first major work of Japanese literature. It was written by the Lady Murasaki, a lady in waiting at the imperial court, in the Heian period of Japan around the 1100's. At the time, educated Japanese man all spoke, read, and wrote Chinese. It was left to thwe women to preserve and develop the Japanese language. (And you see the effect on Japanese, as the written form has origins in Chinese ideographs, whan a positional alphabet like the Roman wuld be a better fit for the underlying structure of the language.) And China has not forgotten the Rape of Nanking when the Japanese invaded during WWII. There are long memories and lots of pent-up animosities in the region that will get in the way of the cooperation they really should have, and China and Japan aren't the only ones holding grudges.

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WW Thinker   10/20/2012 4:37:50 AM
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I am glad to see that you brought out the history. In contrast to how the Germans publicly regretted at the bad things done at WWII, Japan never did that in their heart. Since WWII, Japan government deliberately changed the text books to distort the history to the point that its invasion of China was a good deeds. Worst, USA unilaterally gave the "right to manage an island seized by Japan during before the WWII" to Japan, despite of the potests by the powerless Taiwan and the still-closed China at the time. Chineses in general prefer money than politics. Therefore, the grudges upon Japan is because the ruling politicians in Japan have been trying over the past two centuries to seize stuff from China, worst still, generations of ruling politicians of Japan never really respect China and keep denying the wrongs done!

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WW Thinker   10/20/2012 4:48:31 AM
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The reason is simple, worldwide, there are a bunch of MSOs (e.g. Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, ..) whose interest is not to serve you, but to make the fat cats of the financial world happy! Unless, these MSOs, the fat cats, and the broadcast stations, the movie studios, the government officials all come to some kind of agreement, you are not going to see in your life time the realization of the truly "pull" model for TV contents! However, you can do something now for the benefit of your next generation to force the shift to the "pull model". Cut off the cable/satellite subscription, hook up one of your idling notebook/PC with HDMI output to your flat-screen TV, buy the indoor HDTV antenna from Costco. Then, you will have a true internet TV which is not wall-gardened and HDTV signals without Comcast re-coding the HD signals to a lesser resolution.

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DMcCunney   10/20/2012 6:10:47 AM
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There was grumbling by some in the US when Microsoft released a version of Encarta sanitized of references to things like the Rape of Nanking to avoid upsetting the Japanese, who steadfastly refuse to admit it, and I have an old friend who is Chinese and a dedicated photographer, who rails about Japanese actions in WWII and won't use Japanese cameras. But Japan is hardly the only offender in the "can't admit it" box. Ask the Turks about genocide against the Armenians. The usual answer will reduce to "It didn't happen, and if it did they're an inferior lifeform who deserved it." *Nobody* likes to admit to things like that. Germany didn't have much choice: it was surrounded by countries it had invaded, and if it wanted to be accepted by the rest of the world it had to own up. Ultimately, I see money as the best hope. I'm in NYC, a block above one of the areas called "Little India". It's full of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi restaurants, grocery stores, clothing stores, and video rental places. It's a mix of people who hate each other and are at the brink of war back home, but over here, the ethos seems to be "We have a common overriding interest: making money! Check your ethnic, sectarian, and religious rivalries at the door or you won't be happy here..."

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