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eewiz   2/15/2013 6:38:40 AM
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"No official data has been released about how many Japanese semiconductor engineers have already left their employers and are currently working at non-Japanese companies in South Korea, Taiwan or in China. Some suspect that there are many." I would love to see the data if any. But I suspect there arent many. Over the past few years I guess atleast 100K people would have been displaced from their jobs in semi/CE sector. The few 100's hired by GloFo is probably only a very small % of the displaced workers. In addition,based on my experience of working for a semi company in Japan, most semi engineers doesnt speak English, which is also a major hurdle for relocation.

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junko.yoshida   2/15/2013 1:17:45 PM
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You are absolutely right. If you're talking about percentage, it's probably negligible. But think about Major League Baseball. 20 years ago, only Nomo and a few other Japanese players were playing in the US. It's still a small percentage but more Japanese ball players are visible in the US today. Unlike Chinese, Japanese never had a diaspora. But you may start seeing more skilled Japanese semi professionals soon outside Japan.

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krisi   2/15/2013 3:50:09 PM
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What kind of pension you get for forced retirements at the age of 40+ in Japan? Perhaps this is not as bad as it sounds...lots of free time to pursue other interests in life

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GQQSER2   2/15/2013 5:00:43 PM
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"These engineers are getting prepped to be sent to New York as an initial batch, with as many as another 100 to 200 to follow, the source said." Sounds almost like we're talking about products instead of people.

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junko.yoshida   2/15/2013 5:09:58 PM
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iniewski, that's a good question. The rumor I heard, but not confirmed, is that if you are a professional engineer currently paid $100K, you get $100K for retirement money + $200K as an incentive for early retirement. That, indeed, ain't bad at all.

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docdivakar   2/15/2013 5:37:07 PM
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@Junko & @iniewski: I have mixed feelings about this outcome of a country losing its well-experienced and competent workforce to globalization. If Renesas were to be a pure digital play chip company, I would have said may be it is for the good since the number of fabs / IDM's at advanced technology nodes are rapidly shrinking to a handful (soon we will be counting with one hand the fabs /IDM's for 14nm and beyond!). But this wasn't the case -Renesas has / had many analog and mixed signal products, products that don't need the latest nm node. There is plenty of innovation left in these. It also boggles me that Renesas never made serious attempts to play in MEMS market where much of the talented workforce could have been re-purposed. From the perspective of globalized economy, repercussions from workforce exodus is not exactly a zero sum game, though GloFlo stands to gain but that is not linear. Moreover, there are ample examples of macroeconomic ecosystems stemming from expats' money flow that spurs different industries and opportunities. In this regard, Japan has a lot to learn from countries like India where workers of migrated overseas in all cadres yet stimulate a vibrant economy back home. MP Divakar

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DMcCunney   2/16/2013 7:04:10 PM
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And that lasts how long, given costs of living in Japan? It's not bad if you have decent prospects of finding another job. With the semi industry shrinking in Japan, finding another job may require relocating. But relocating where? Will places like Taiwan and Korea have openings for displaced Japanese engineers (especially since they have their own pool of engineering talent, and will give preference to a local)? I think a lot of these folks just won't *get* new jobs.

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joshxdr   2/17/2013 6:22:03 PM
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I think it would be tough for a Japanese engineer to relocate to a GF fab in upstate New York. There is no established Japanese communinity in that area. Non-English speaking spouses would be socially isolated and unemployable. There are no Japanese schools. Due to the reliance of Japanese education on high-stakes testing, a Japanese kid who goes to an American school will be behind when returning to Japan. It is possible but difficult to live on a Japanese diet in the US, and it would be more difficult in upstate NY. As much as the Japanese economy has deteriorated, I think Japan still has a higher standard of living than Taiwan or South Korea. I would guess that the fraction of Japanese engineers with sufficient English proficiency to work in the US to be 50% or less. I think it is very unlikely that there will be a flood of engineers from Japan even as grim as things are.

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joshxdr   2/17/2013 6:32:30 PM
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It is not technically true that there is no Japanese diaspora in the US. I think what you mean is "there is no established Japanese community" in most US cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_diaspora#Americas "The Japanese diaspora has been unique in the absence of new emigration flows in the second half of the 20th century"

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docdivakar   2/17/2013 6:49:50 PM
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@joshxdr: what you bring up as difficulties for Japanese professionals to move overseas are the same ones that other Asian ethnicity went thru when migrating to US/EU destinations. The gist of my message above is that in today's globalized economy, the opportunities will not always be in one's home turf! It would seem that the Japanese have more reluctance to accept this -could be reluctance, anxiety of assimilating/adapting to culture that is foreign to them, etc. It is never too late to start a 'Little Tokyo' in upstate NY! MP Divakar

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