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Forget ‘Occupy Wall Street,’ time to ‘Abandon Fukushima’

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krisi
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krisi   11/22/2011 12:17:22 AM
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Not sure whether that radon gas would work @Robotics Developer...there is radiation and there is radiation..it energy determines what happens at the cell level, in Fukishima's case the isotope that is mostly cities is Cesium which emits gamma at 662 keV...but I am sure there is tons of military data on this topic and probably some scientific ones as well...Kris

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Robotics Developer   11/22/2011 12:08:00 AM
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I would think that the long term effects of radiation "lower levels" could be investigated using the available data from radon gas studies here in the US. I wonder if there are any other examples that could be leveraged for insight into the long/short term effects of radiation at various levels. Still, it is a shame that no one speaks up and asks for answers.

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krisi   11/21/2011 11:28:56 PM
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To @slinz, inetersting idea but nothing is really new here...given enough information people can make these choices...even if the risk is not clear that process is already happenning, houses close to high voltage lines are valued less, healthy, fresh food costs more than processed junk, living close to contaiminated air or water typically is less expensive etc...Kris

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selinz   11/21/2011 11:02:12 PM
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Tolerable radiation levels my in fact be different for people at different stages of their life. Someone in their "twilight years" is likely to not want to pick up and move and less worried about health effects 20 years down the line. I would see a capitalistic society turning higher risk areas into lower cost of living areas so that people may be willing to take higher risks. This happened in the US where entire communities were contaminated by mining activities but land is now cheap and cost of living is low. However, taking these "calculated risks" does require having data to make decisions...

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junko.yoshida   11/18/2011 10:21:57 PM
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True. But more worrisome is that the Japanese people tend to wait for someone else to make decisions for them. Whether it comes from the government or from the academia, they want to "be told." And that's when I realize that every citizen needs to educate himself/herself.

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Brian Fuller2   11/18/2011 10:11:08 PM
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Kris, it's definitely a global phenomenon. It could be an over-protection reaction (i doubt it, though). More likely governments as entities just aren't very good at protecting citizens. Governments are, after all, made up of workers collecting pay checks, rather than citizens on a mission to protect fellow citizens. And most want to protect their jobs, so they react to anything in very conservative ways, hiding behind "let's not panic the populace" as a shield for inaction.

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junko.yoshida   11/18/2011 7:30:01 PM
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True, I agree with that. And yet, Japan’s Agriculture Ministry this week found a sample from a rice farmer in the southeastern part of Fukushima City -- about 37 miles from Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant -- contained 630 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium -- higher than safety levels. For farmers in Fukushima, this is a big blow. Now every farmer is demanding to get their rice tested, instead of random sampling. It is the crippled nuclear plant’s trickled down impact that is worrying people here. You may choose to ignore all of this. But again, we don’t have enough science on our side that it’s safe or unsafe to do so.

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Nicholas C. Lee   11/18/2011 6:21:32 PM
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The reason why they are not concentrating on a couple of broken power stations is becuase that's not the main disaster. Thousands tragically died as a result of the devastating tsunami, and the survivors of that have pulled together with characteristic Japanese stoicism and community spirit. It doesn't help that power rationing is in effect due to the reduced number of working power stations, but nobody has or will die as a result of the Fukushima power station failure. Lets try and keep the the big picture in focus.

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junko.yoshida   11/17/2011 11:48:36 PM
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Exactly, Kris. And that sort of explains a growing level of interest among people wanting to take the matters into their own hands. No governments want to create total chaos among the masses. And yet, they need to trust us more -- in reading the data and making our own decisions.

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krisi   11/17/2011 11:42:41 PM
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Fascinating but worrysome Junko...I am always puzzled why goverments do not want to tell their own citizens what the real status of any emergency is...and this does not apply to Japan only...a week after Fukushima disaster increased rediation levels were detected on Vancouver island but not goverment information was ever given to the Canadian public...granted they were still at safe levels but I would rather be told and decide on my own what to do...Kris

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