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grzy
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re: Six hurdles Intel must clear to be a major foundry
grzy   5/3/2012 12:16:13 AM
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So it is clear intel is not getting into the foundry biz so discussions about that are sort of irrelevant. These are "business relationships" of some kind. The other thing to keep in mind is the end of moore's law. When you consider this it becomes apparent that at some point sooner rather than later we will go through a contraction followed by consolidation. Fact is Moores law will end, carbon nanotubes, 3d chips, etc will not mitigate that. Given that, you start thinking out 5 to 10 years then you see mobile chip sales decline due to lack of new features b/c lack of more silicon space, ditto for everything else. But you can see that there is still lot's of $ to be made and one of the consistent demand areas will be FPGAs since it is the one place the majority of companies can still play since tapeouts will still be expensive. It's all about consolidation and it appears to me they are on the ball. Now they have to figure out there mobile missteps.

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sranje   5/2/2012 10:19:42 PM
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Wafer processing has entered an entirely different phase – can anybody explain to me why these speculations on if/when will Intel enter foundry business? Intel is now ahead one FULL node of the industry – it is in HV 22nm while “all the leading foundries” (a crowd of one) are still ramping 28nm. This is an entirely new situation – even way before the arrival of 450mm wafers. In 2014 Intel will introduce Airmont CPU core for its 14nm platform – this will be entirely new situation of almost two nodes ahead. All ARM-based vendors of processors for Smartphones are no longer laughing at Intel as a major application processor vendor for Smartphones. Which foundry can even dream to keep the pace? Another IDM, Samsung, very likely can, however. The company has laser-focused on the leading phone and infrastructure vendor in China and on the largest smartphone market (China again) – see today’s formation of a joint lab with Huawei for accelerating implementation of LTE (4G) TD technology (a China standard at par with FM standard in 4G). Why would Intel want to enter the foundry business – except for “pipe-cleaning” with small FPGA start-ups or with a single mega-company (Apple) with whom it already has very close relationship? Same logic for Samsung – except for mega-customers a la Apple or Qualcomm. There is a perhaps more pertinent topic – how far will foundries expand into IC packaging.

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junko.yoshida   5/2/2012 9:58:27 PM
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I agree. Intel will clearly face a long, uphill battle -- both in terms of potential customers'"perceptions" on Intel as a foundry; and what Intel can deliver as a grown-up foundry service company.

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junko.yoshida   5/2/2012 9:55:41 PM
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I wouldn't go that far... but we do hear consistently rumors about other FPGA vendors may be interested in working with Intel.

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junko.yoshida   5/2/2012 9:53:10 PM
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True. Actually, Intel's entry in the foundry market does make a good "long-term" business sense, in my humble opinion. Intel transitions its processor technology every two years. As Semico's Itowh said, "In the 1990's, Intel migrated their older fabs to chipset production or flash production in order to extend the life of their fabs. "Today, they have to upgrade fabs or build new fabs. The foundry 'sweet spot' is typically one or even two nodes behind Intel's leading-edge processor technology," Itow added. So, why not getting into the foundry business now -- in order to pay for the future investment?

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old account Frank Eory   5/2/2012 8:22:29 PM
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But it takes a lot more than process technology to succeed in the foundry business. Most particularly, it requires pre-packaged, proven IP libraries -- everything from standard cells to I/O cells to memory compilers to common analog blocks like PLLs, LDOs and data converters. You can't just hand a customer a PDK and a DRC deck and say "call us when you're ready to tape out."

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grzy   5/2/2012 7:44:21 PM
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Clearly everyone is missing the boat on this. Intel is ahead on process technology, behind on mobile. There desktop market is declining, there server market will decline as the cloud build out ramp completes. What can they do? Get into the fpga business. So Achronix is a takeover candidate, they are just waiting to see if it works. think 5 years from now Xilinx and Altera are struggling with TSMC to get the next gen devices out, while intel can dominate in power/performance b/c of there process lead.

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any1   5/2/2012 1:22:40 PM
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I think that the consensus is correct. For now Intel is just dabbling in the foundry business. They can dictate the terms of their current foundry relationships. But who knows what the future holds. Intel can and should leverage their leadership in process technology and manufacturing know how to achieve strategic advantages and improve the corporate bottom line.

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