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de_la_rosa
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de_la_rosa   1/25/2013 8:25:30 PM
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Well Dylan, you seem very focused on Apple per se and how Apple are cleaning their image. But you mention nothing about the follow up of what will happen to the workers that have just lost their jobs? Any redundancy money by Apple? Probably they will be forced to work in less favourable conditions since their family are depending on them for income. Quite an ignorant minded article if I may say!

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mcgrathdylan   1/25/2013 11:43:31 PM
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@supersonic76- thanks for the constructive criticism. Always appreciated.

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walken1   1/25/2013 11:48:01 PM
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It isn't Apple's responsibility to compensate employees that are working illegally and get caught if Apple didn't hire them (either directly or indirectly "knowingly"). If anything, that should be the responsibility of the company that did hire them in the first place. How is that any different than, say, the US Federal Government penalizing companies for hiring illegal immigrants? Should the Federal Government then compensate the illegals that lost their jobs?

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Thomas Chongruk   1/27/2013 9:51:09 PM
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What are the laws in China in regard to age? I'm not saying one should consider local values in regard to dealing with non-national corporations, but it shouldn't be the only consideration. If I recall correctly, people in China aren't required to go through the equivalent of 12th grade over there (and it may not even be publicly tax-payer supported like it is in the USA). So, if these people are doing jobs that don't require the high level of education and skill, and are trying to support themselves (or their families) honestly and because they currently can't afford further education, ... then how is it 'right' to terminate their employment.

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eewiz   1/28/2013 4:46:01 AM
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The other side of the argument is "because they now have job" they dont/arent allowed to continue their education.

old account Frank Eory
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old account Frank Eory   1/28/2013 11:46:49 PM
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I was wondering the same thing. Like GeLy said below, I too started working long before age 16. It was part-time of course, and school was top priority. In many states, American youth are not legally required to attend school past age 16.

GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter
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GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter   1/28/2013 3:39:53 PM
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What's wrong with starting to work at 14,15, or 16? I started working ~12-13 years old, delivering newspaper, mowing lawn, snow plowing, etc. I learned early on that it's a hard way to make $, so I decided to study a little harder and was the first in my family to go to college and earn an engineering degree.

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reportingsjr   1/28/2013 7:20:45 PM
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I think the problem they want to avoid is having kids work full work days, not just side jobs like you, meaning they can not go to school.

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DrQuine   1/28/2013 11:26:10 PM
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Positive news on the child labor front should be celebrated. I have no doubt that there are adults in China seeking employment and the children have a better chance to get an education. It will take time but the news of this decision by Apple will surely be heard far beyond the walls of the company that was directly impacted.

GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter
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GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter   1/29/2013 7:38:47 PM
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You guys grew up in a rich country and are lucky to have the luxury to think this way. America use to be this way, other/third world country will probably progress in similar way.

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Bert22306   1/29/2013 9:55:25 PM
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Yes, and the point is, US consumers were finding it distasteful that Apple was exploiting child labor, as much as these same people would object to seeing child labor exploited at home. So Apple is doing what it has to do, to fix its image back home. Which they must do to avoid putting off a whole lot of potential customers. The other way to look at it might be, is it truly a matter of "lucky rich country"? Or is "rich" the result of hard-learned policies?

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bogdanbmcc   2/1/2013 10:08:34 PM
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I think both ... if Hitler and Stalin were not so much psychopathic US might end up in a very bad place, or at least: not so good ... The number of detailed "whys" is just too big for the format here...

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Robotics Developer   1/29/2013 10:20:08 PM
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I am glad that Apple is doing something, I am not sure if it really helps the kids or hurts them. The key is that someone is doing something and maybe if everyone got on board the problem would be greatly reduced. I do not know the laws / school policies in China but I can't imagine that it is a good thing for the kids growing up without an education.

GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter
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GeLy-MyOtherRideIsABMWS1000RRScooter   1/30/2013 7:11:07 PM
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None of you will ever understand until one day(God forbid) when you wonder where your going to sleep tonight or how your going to feed your hungry child.

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mikejb2009   2/1/2013 1:10:46 AM
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Half the room says "America the richest country in the world lets human rights violations take place and does nothing" the other half of the room ask why America is always interfering with the way other governments run their countries. Apple has the same problem. Apple is being called on to do what the U.S. government should be doing.

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bogdanbmcc   2/1/2013 10:17:10 PM
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This is the problem of the category: "damnend if you do, but damned if you don't". I would say that we should take into consideration what are the norms of the other country so we do not impose our standards on what it is a sovereign entity, after all some of US standards seem bizarre in other countries (you can handle weapons before you can legally drink?!). Then of course we are free to deem some of the foreign practices as wholy unacceptable (fit to be married when 6?!) ... We could stick to the international standards, but it would help if we stopped torpedoing them frequently (yep, we do it!)

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Peter.Pagac   2/1/2013 10:47:08 PM
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Hmm, China is a communist socialist country. It, like all former regimes of this nature professes equality for all its citizens and essentially, plays "mother and father" to all. It is a totalitarian regime. It is the Chinese Governments responsibility for the welfare of its people. It is the Chinese Government that sanctions and directly benefits from the use of child labour. I say good on Apple and others for taking a stand on their own moral grounds, this is not a side job mowing the lawns, this IS child labour, supported and sanctioned by the Chinese government.

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