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Brian at Impulse
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Max re-discovered a bi-metallic energy source instrument
Brian at Impulse   9/9/2013 1:33:40 PM
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Hey Max, you appear to have discovered a lost instrumentation device for measuring the electrical fields generated by varying the proximity of bi-metallic spheres. I recall this was first considered germaine in the mid '60s as an alternate source of energy production. Research was funded by the then Soviet Union. But then again I could be wrong.

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Max The Magnificent   9/9/2013 1:46:25 PM
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@Brian at Impulse: I recall this was first considered germaine in the mid '60s as an alternate source of energy production.

That sounds like a load of ... spheres ... to me :-)

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Re: Max re-discovered a bi-metallic energy source instrument
Brian@BDH   9/9/2013 2:06:19 PM
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@Brian: Re: But then again I could be wrong.

Wow! That sure sounds good.  If it isn't right, then it should be!  :-)

 

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Brian@BDH   9/9/2013 2:07:57 PM
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How am I going to get this last piece up there...  If only someone would invent the ladder...

 

Max The Magnificent
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Max The Magnificent   9/9/2013 3:03:02 PM
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How about: "Isn't it always this way? You take something to bits, put it back together, and there's always at least one part left over..."

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David Ashton   9/11/2013 6:29:54 AM
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They look like some kind of spark-gap to me.  So:

"It's OK, I've shorted it out, you can come down from the roof now...."

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Max The Magnificent   9/11/2013 10:49:04 AM
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@David: "It's OK, I've shorted it out, you can come down from the roof now...."


Good one -- another version might be "OK, you can come down now, I promise I won't do it again..." :-)

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Rcurl   9/11/2013 8:50:49 PM
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@David: "They look like some kind of spark-gap to me." 

You're definitely on the right track- and they could be used as spark gaps, but that's not their intended purpose.

 I'll give you a major hint: The big one is intended to be used at up to 78KV, but under certain circumstances it can be used up to 115KV. 

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David Ashton   9/11/2013 9:05:24 PM
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@Rcurl....hmmmm....I was sure I'd seen them beforee somewhere....the bottom part is obviously adjustable hence your variation in voltages...possibly a primitive surge arrestor?

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Rcurl   9/12/2013 10:22:09 AM
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@David: "possibly a primitive surge arrestor?"

They may be primitive, but they're still in production today.

Their primary function is not a surge arrestor, although one of their sub-functions is as an "Overvoltage protector for a test specimen".

If no one nails it today I'll give the rest of the details tomorrow.

 

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Duane Benson   9/12/2013 11:36:10 AM
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I'm thinking a giant rectifier, or perhaps an electronic guillotine.

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Rcurl   9/13/2013 8:24:49 AM
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@Duane: "perhaps an electronic guillotine"

I Didn't see that one coming!

I guess I'd better drop the other shoe- The devics in the photo are voltmeters. More specifically, they're Sphere Gap Voltmeters. The big one in the picture has spheres that are 6.25cm in diameter and can be used to measure up to 78KV with an accuracy of 3%.  To get this kind of accuracy you have to consult tables that take into consideration the temperature, humidity, and atmospheric pressure. The cylindrical devices like the one the model is holding are current limiting resistors, so when the gap flashes over you get a "dzzzt" instead of a KABOOM!

This may be old technology but these are still being used today. There's not a whole lot that can go wrong with these.  No worries about a sticking pointer, like on an analog meter, and you certainly don't have to worry about the batteries running down, as in a digital meter!

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David Ashton   9/13/2013 8:05:20 PM
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Voltmeters,eh??  Who would have thought it?  I guess another advantage is zero draw from the source until you get the dzzzzzt.....  Thanks for that Rick.

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David Ashton   9/13/2013 8:11:28 PM
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Rick, I appreciate that you measure the voltage by bringing the spheres together until you get arcover, but how do you read the voltage off these things?  Is there a scale in the bottom mount above that four pronged turning handle?  Then you read that and plug the value into yoru tables?

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Rcurl   9/13/2013 9:57:36 PM
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@David: Actually, you would go about it a bit differently. Believe me- you wouldn't want to be adjusting one of these while voltage is applied.

Assume for a moment that you need to run a hipot test on a winding in a generator at a hydroelectric dam.  If you allow the voltage to go too high you could damage the extremely expensive generator.  You start by determining the test voltage you want to apply. Then you consult the tables and set the sphere gap accordingly.  You will also have an analog meter on the hipot test set so you have two meters for safety. You run the voltage up until the sphere gap establishes an arc. This not only verifies that you reached the desired test voltage, but it assures that you can't go any higher. 

To do the initial setting you just use an accurate hand-held scale.  There is a small scale on the bottom of the sphere gap, but it's a relative scale so you can tell that you opened or closed it a certain number of millimeters from the original setting.

 

 

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David Ashton   9/13/2013 10:07:20 PM
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Thanks Rick.  Well, at least you're using millimetres!!!

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They're electric wickets
betajet   9/9/2013 2:23:42 PM
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There was a short-lived attempt to bring cricket to the USA in the 1950s.  Because the game and its subtleties are utterly baffling to the USA public, they tried to liven it up by adding static electric generators to the wickets.  They also made them much larger so USA bowlers wouldn't have to be as accurate.

The attempt failed.  The manufacturer of the electric wickets tried to sell them to 43-man Squamish teams, but that sport was already way too complex.

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Max The Magnificent   9/9/2013 3:01:43 PM
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@Betajet: There was a short-lived attempt to bring cricket to the USA in the 1950s.  Because the game and its subtleties are utterly baffling to the USA public...

LOL

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Re: They're electric wickets
docdivakar   9/9/2013 3:33:05 PM
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@Max: you should visit the Silicon Valley one of these days, on a typical weekend, there are multiple teams playing Cricket and there are regular tournaments which sees fierce competition. The same goes for NYC and Chicago...

MP Divakar

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Max The Magnificent   9/9/2013 3:47:37 PM
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@DocDivaker: ...you should visit the Silicon Valley one of these days, on a typical weekend, there are multiple teams playing Cricket...

I love it when I go back to England -- if you're driving around on a Sunday you can see folks playing in the parks -- the crack of the ball on the bat is very relaxing to me...

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