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stippu
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India and China again?
stippu   10/30/2013 11:37:05 AM
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A very interesting story, Junko

As usual the India angle comes up and that is something that I would like to do - check out where these discarded phones come in and who does the dismantling. It may not be an easy task because many would not be wanting to talk about it but I really wonder what happens to old phones.When I say old, i mean really old and dilapidated ones.

But on the other hand we have these exchange offers in our country  at almost every retail outlet  where you can exchange your old phone for a new one. Say for instance, a 2-3 year old blackberry gets a Rs10,000 ( $160) discount on a new Samsung Note or S3. I used to think that they give these phones to people who sell second hand phones (not in shops but through another network). But got to find out what happens to really old phones.. and do companies in the US and EU really "export" old phones to countries like India and China to sell or to dismantle them? Any take on this from anyone who specialises in e-waste? 

 

 

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Re: India and China again?
junko.yoshida   10/30/2013 11:46:25 AM
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e-waste is indeed a big issue, sufia. I don't presume to know what's going on, but you do raise and interesting question here.

You asked:

do companies in the US and EU really "export" old phones to countries like India and China to sell or to dismantle them?


We'd like to hear from our readers; but we should also get on it!

stippu
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Re: India and China again?
stippu   10/30/2013 12:00:13 PM
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Should really find out what happens to these really old phones which have no market value at all. They are taken back by dealers at say $10 -15 per piece I think in exchange for a new phone. Will work on this for sure and see where these phones really go

Also, the report was right in terms of mobile financial transactions. A few companies in India are working on tying up the back end to banks through the mobile but these are still pilot projects and govt regulations too are involved. But in rural areas, it is most likely to happen faster

 

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Re: India and China again?
chanj0   10/30/2013 12:49:16 PM
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I've watched a couple documentary talking about e-waste. Indeed, not only US but also the other developed countries are shipping e-waste to China and India. To certain extent, it is sad and irresponsible. However, the e-waste are selling with a price. China and India are buying them and recycling them for other purpose. Sadly, the recycling processing is as polluted as the manufacturing process, if not more.

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Re: India and China again?
wilber_xbox   10/31/2013 9:16:53 AM
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e-waste is a big challenge. It is not so for the mobile as for CRT, coolant, ACs, Desktops and other electronic equipments. Mobiles somehow have a relatively short life cycle so despite the smaller size the amount of waste could be comparable.

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Re: India and China again?
KB3001   10/31/2013 9:53:38 AM
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It's sad indeed to see what's happening now in India and China and we've been there before (remember the first industrial revolution!). That said, history tells us that over time, we will get better at recycling. Human beings have always found a way, and mother nature has a very robust way of steering us towards it....

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e-waste
cirobr   10/30/2013 11:54:15 AM
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Shouldn´t the large corporations be a good starting point to ask for details on how are returned phones processed? Their Sustainability Reports always look too nice ...

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e waste handling
resistion   10/30/2013 12:01:33 PM
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I don't see the wisdom of shipping e materials to China or India if we really want to prevent all those reverse engineering possibilities as well as effectively exporting those materials.

chanj0
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Short Product Life Cycle
chanj0   10/30/2013 12:43:07 PM
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Looking back to 1991 when the first GSM network was launched in Europe, GSM phones in Europe and Asia continued evolving for 10+ years. The iPhone was launched in 2007. The market didn't respond well until iPhone 3 in 2008. Barely over 3 years, the smartphone market has already been saturated. What a short product life cycle!

When a market getting close to saturation, product companies will start creating a niche to stand out from the crowd. All the gadgets, for example, Google Glass, Smartwatch, are created for this purpose. The finger print id from Apple is one of the many features that may make Apple iPhone to be the leader. Not quite yet! I like how the finger print is scanned and how it is being used. However, the limited areas - unlock a phone and Apps store authorizaton - will keep it from thriving.

The saturation of smartphone market is reality. Will it keep ambitious company from entering? When iPhone was launched, mobile phone market was seriously saturated and no one foresaw the data market would take off from mobile. iPhone with the apps store created a niche and they have become the mass market. How will the mobile devices evolve to create another niche?

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Wearables, anyone?
rick merritt   10/31/2013 12:36:05 AM
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Slowing mobile growth means more pressure to find a next big thing in wearables and IoT.

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Re: Wearables, anyone?
wilber_xbox   10/31/2013 9:13:16 AM
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Wearable is the fantasy for so long. It was for LED and synthetic glowing polymer and now its for the smart devices. We would ultimately want a device which could be a natural extension of ours.

KB3001
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Re: Wearables, anyone?
KB3001   10/31/2013 9:47:37 AM
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I think so too, Rick.  IoT is a disruptive technology that will create new opportunities for many players (silicon, RF, networking, software, apps etc. etc.) What is exciting about it is that it affects us ALL and in a very direct way.

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More on Mobile Money
jackOfManyTrades   10/31/2013 4:41:47 AM
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Hi Junko,

There are excellent regular business programmes broadcast by the BBC in the UK and on the BBC World Service. And are, of course, available via the internet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/worldbiz/all

I have head a programme about mobile money before. Here is another:

GlobalBiz: Mobile Money in Kenya 20 July 2013

I have not listened to this one, yet, I'm a bit behind on my Podcasts. However, I cannot recommend this programme highly enough, so I should imagine this edition is worth listenning to. (I subscribe via iTunes).

KB3001
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Re: More on Mobile Money
KB3001   10/31/2013 9:48:39 AM
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I second that!

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