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chipmonk0
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Re: Ignorance and Arrogance rules together in India Fab decision
chipmonk0   2/7/2014 5:04:00 PM
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@stippu : if you attended the IESA summit earlier this week then can you please report on the announcements & discussions ( verbatim, as much as possible ) there related to these Fabs.

stippu
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Re: Ignorance and Arrogance rules together in India Fab decision
stippu   2/7/2014 12:05:41 PM
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Just been reading and trying to get a perspective on the interaction - but the only thing i can come up with is that we all can agree to disagree.

Some consider the fab in India  a BIG dream and some think it might be nightmare - but then you should realise India is huge country with its own set of political issues. And, there are people for the fab and there are people against it - not just among our EETimes readers but in the industry itself.

But lets not be so negative about it. It could be a success or it might flop and down its shutters - but it is at least a  step forward.  

It is estimated that by 2020 India will be importing electronics product worth $300 billion, which will be more than the value of its oil imports.The govt realises it needs to act now to avoid a situation where it would face difficulties in financing these imports. It feels that India should have manufacturing facilities which result in a balanced trade in electronics products and are become a part of global supply chain. And it has taken 2 years to come to this decision.

No doubt there is delayi. there is corruption. there is lobbying but name one country where there is no lobbying.

India is huge, If you just take one dimension, say languages - there are about 180 languages with 544 dialects. Forget about the villages and all that. Trying to manoeuvre through all that and different types of political parties, is not a joke. But somehow, things go on here.

Twenty years back, it took us almost a year to get a telephone connection. Now, it is just a day or two. And look at the mobile user base - 

India's mobile phone customer base rose 0.7 percent, or a net 5.7 million, in November to 881.13 million.By comparison, China, the world's biggest mobile phone market, reported a 0.5 percent monthly rise in mobile
subscribers to 1.23 billion as of end-December.

Things a moving.. there are a good number of good people trying to make things work in India and at the same time there are a good number of bad people trying to pull the whole thing done. 

Like one reader said, he will believe it only when the ground breaking ceremony happens. Believe it or not, I do too. 

India is a strange country - and incredible things happen here. Incrediibly good and incredibly bad too.. But thats India's DNA. Forces of dark and light complement each other.

Lets give it abbout 10 years from the day the building starts.

GSMD explains a lot of things.. thanks.

Also someone was asking which process nodes - all that the company's spokesperson says is from 90-60-45 nm. And, they will change accordingly because the technology provider has not put into clauses against change.

 

 

 

 

stippu
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Re: Ignorance and Arrogance rules together in India Fab decision
stippu   2/7/2014 12:05:36 PM
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Just been reading and trying to get a perspective on the interaction - but the only thing i can come up with is that we all can agree to disagree.

Some consider the fab in India  a BIG dream and some think it might be nightmare - but then you should realise India is huge country with its own set of political issues. And, there are people for the fab and there are people against it - not just among our EETimes readers but in the industry itself.

But lets not be so negative about it. It could be a success or it might flop and down its shutters - but it is at least a  step forward.  

It is estimated that by 2020 India will be importing electronics product worth $300 billion, which will be more than the value of its oil imports.The govt realises it needs to act now to avoid a situation where it would face difficulties in financing these imports. It feels that India should have manufacturing facilities which result in a balanced trade in electronics products and are become a part of global supply chain. And it has taken 2 years to come to this decision.

No doubt there is delayi. there is corruption. there is lobbying but name one country where there is no lobbying.

India is huge, If you just take one dimension, say languages - there are about 180 languages with 544 dialects. Forget about the villages and all that. Trying to manoeuvre through all that and different types of political parties, is not a joke. But somehow, things go on here.

Twenty years back, it took us almost a year to get a telephone connection. Now, it is just a day or two. And look at the mobile user base - 

India's mobile phone customer base rose 0.7 percent, or a net 5.7 million, in November to 881.13 million.By comparison, China, the world's biggest mobile phone market, reported a 0.5 percent monthly rise in mobile
subscribers to 1.23 billion as of end-December.

Things a moving.. there are a good number of good people trying to make things work in India and at the same time there are a good number of bad people trying to pull the whole thing done. 

Like one reader said, he will believe it only when the ground breaking ceremony happens. Believe it or not, I do too. 

India is a strange country - and incredible things happen here. Incrediibly good and incredibly bad too.. But thats India's DNA. Forces of dark and light complement each other.

Lets give it abbout 10 years from the day the building starts.

GSMD explains a lot of things.. thanks.

Also someone was asking which process nodes - all that the company's spokesperson says is from 90-60-45 nm. And, they will change accordingly because the technology provider has not put into clauses against change.

 

 

 

 

stippu
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Re: Ignorance and Arrogance rules together in India Fab decision
stippu   2/7/2014 12:05:30 PM
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Just been reading and trying to get a perspective on the interaction - but the only thing i can come up with is that we all can agree to disagree.

Some consider the fab in India  a BIG dream and some think it might be nightmare - but then you should realise India is huge country with its own set of political issues. And, there are people for the fab and there are people against it - not just among our EETimes readers but in the industry itself.

But lets not be so negative about it. It could be a success or it might flop and down its shutters - but it is at least a  step forward.  

It is estimated that by 2020 India will be importing electronics product worth $300 billion, which will be more than the value of its oil imports.The govt realises it needs to act now to avoid a situation where it would face difficulties in financing these imports. It feels that India should have manufacturing facilities which result in a balanced trade in electronics products and are become a part of global supply chain. And it has taken 2 years to come to this decision.

No doubt there is delayi. there is corruption. there is lobbying but name one country where there is no lobbying.

India is huge, If you just take one dimension, say languages - there are about 180 languages with 544 dialects. Forget about the villages and all that. Trying to manoeuvre through all that and different types of political parties, is not a joke. But somehow, things go on here.

Twenty years back, it took us almost a year to get a telephone connection. Now, it is just a day or two. And look at the mobile user base - 

India's mobile phone customer base rose 0.7 percent, or a net 5.7 million, in November to 881.13 million.By comparison, China, the world's biggest mobile phone market, reported a 0.5 percent monthly rise in mobile
subscribers to 1.23 billion as of end-December.

Things a moving.. there are a good number of good people trying to make things work in India and at the same time there are a good number of bad people trying to pull the whole thing done. 

Like one reader said, he will believe it only when the ground breaking ceremony happens. Believe it or not, I do too. 

India is a strange country - and incredible things happen here. Incrediibly good and incredibly bad too.. But thats India's DNA. Forces of dark and light complement each other.

Lets give it abbout 10 years from the day the building starts.

GSMD explains a lot of things.. thanks.

Also someone was asking which process nodes - all that the company's spokesperson says is from 90-60-45 nm. And, they will change accordingly because the technology provider has not put into clauses against change.

 

 

 

 

chipmonk0
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Re: A meaningful discussion is sorely needed
chipmonk0   2/7/2014 1:56:34 AM
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the statement " ... taping out parts since the late 90s. .. " once again exposes the pathetic ignorance and arogance about Wafer Fabs among the johnny come lately low-rent programmers ( because thats what most of them are ) of Bangalore that is behind this desire and decision to start CMOS Fabs in India with no prior investment in Labs and staff. If one thinks that knowing Design Rules is all it takes to process wafers at high yield or knowing SPICE simulation of a transistor is all that it takes to design the next generation then they are in for a nasty surprise. To do these things well you need about 150 PhDs in Solid State Physics, Materials Science, Chemistry etc. not just EEs conversant with EDA software or Test. One big reason why there is no Silicon left in Silicon Valley ( except Intel ) is that the EEs who formed the majority in most Semiconductor Co.s in the Valley could not cope with Moore's Law as the going got tough since the late '80s, had to abandon their Fabs and run to TSMC.

chipmonk0
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Re: A meaningful discussion is sorely needed
chipmonk0   2/6/2014 12:14:39 PM
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The poster is obviously not familiar with the technical & economic challenges of making Wafer Fabs successful. I will venture to guess that is probably true in general among the boosters and policymakers behind the Fab decision in India as well. Starting Fabs in the absence of a competent domestic systems design / manufacturing industry is unfortunately akin to building Castles in the Air. It would be a waste of resources and won't save a bit of foreign exchange. Only the Fab tool vendors will come out ahead. Read my earlier post to comprehend the issues.

Sakthidaran, R.T.
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Re: Should wait for election?
Sakthidaran, R.T.   2/6/2014 4:38:48 AM
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I think TATA, HCL and WIPRO would be better Indian Partners for this venture for the following reasons:
  1. All of them have exposure to electronics goods manufacturing.
  2. They are financially sound and doing B$ business.
  3. They also have BUs that can offer value added services in the area of EDA.
  4. They offices are scattered globally offering easy international presense.

IBM tie-up is good only upto construction of plant and to some extent erection of auxiliary plant equipments. They can be involved in civil maintenance work. They can not certainly contribute in the knowledge field. This tie-up means that IBM is a solo owner and Jaiprakash Ind meets the bidding requirements.

R.T.Sakthidaran

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All sound and fury, signifying nothing
escher   2/5/2014 9:20:05 PM
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EE Times should stop wasting its money and website space on this story - not going to happen.

DMcCunney
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Wake me when it happens
DMcCunney   2/5/2014 11:36:28 AM
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I will believe this when I hear of ground being broken, serious construction taking place, and people stepping forward to run the fabs with commitments from customers in hand to buy what the fab produces.

As others have mentioned, this sounds like pre-election political posturing.

JimMcGregor
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Re: Ignorance and Arrogance rules together in India Fab decision
JimMcGregor   2/5/2014 11:11:36 AM
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I agree. This still seems like a dream. Without a commitment by a major IDM or foundry to build and operate the fab, this is likely little more that political posturing.

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