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krisi
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krisi   7/25/2014 2:14:17 PM
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Most people in North America are ignorant about soccer and they just don't get it...it is the most popular sport in the world for a reason

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chrisnfolsom   7/25/2014 1:05:55 PM
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Than you for your insights - and I agree although many sports have benefitted by better coverage - and the HD video is increidble.

I haden't necessarily thought about the "accessories" side of things, but you are right.  I always think about the performance verse endurance aspect such as a baseball player is helped by being in shape, but it is not demanded as is the same for football and other sports which rely heavily on equipment and quick plays and of course teamwork.  Bicycling, Soccer and many other sports demand endurance and performance as well as teamwork - while I respect almost all sports the endurance and personal training and pain endured by bicyclists and runners is incredible - we just need to give them bats or balls to make it more "interesting"...

 

Also, usually not liking or respecting any sport is more ignorance or prejudice then anthing else as the top athletes of anything have to be somewhate interesting - or they would be beat.

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Re: FIFA/Sepp Blatter took ages to introduce goal cameras
chrisnfolsom   7/10/2014 5:11:42 PM
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I agree with much of your premis although of course I respect those who enjoy it as it is.  I played soccer (I live in America, give it a rest) as a youth, watched many years of pro soccer in the 70's (Earthquakes) - watch inernational today, was a referee, and played 20 years as an adult in both indoor and outdoor soccer teams - which gives my opionion no more weight than any other, but I add as background.  I really don't get into the statistics and such, and enjoy PLAYING and even a good loss if beaten by better opponents - how do you ever get better without good competitors?  I enjoy watching a good game, a good play, a good goal as I am sure most do.

For me professional sports are there for enjoyment and to hopefully showcase the best of the sport and inspire children to play and enjoy the sport too.  Recently with all the hype and statistics fewer are part of the game personally, but more into stats, teams and politics - a loss in my eyes.

Regarding rules - I would personally like to see the off-sides moved to 3/4 field (similar to the author) to allow for more goals.  I would also like to see more substitutions as we all know that 90min at full pace is not possible which means you have to manage your pace, but we don't need a subbing war to slow the game down as happens in recreational soccer - I enjoy the speed and all out mayhem of indoor soccer in which your substitutions are like hockey - on the fly and you go in and out - 5 min even for pro's.  I don't want this for outdoor, but somewhere between would be a good change - the soccer pitch is huge, and I would like to seem more activity rather then young men throttled to be able to keep their legs no matter how long the game will be - 90 minutes in most cases, or 30 min longer.  3 substitutions is just too few.

My last argument is against the low scores and statistics.  First, there is luck in any sport or human endeavor.  Because the game allows defense and bagging it is possible that a lower quality team can score and then play defense to win a match.  The fewer the goals the larger the chance that luck is involved or decides a match.  Luck may give you one goal, but two goals is a much, much smaller, and three is really beyond chance.

Food for thought, cricket has one day, and even short form instead of the multi day test matches - I think soccer can handle a bit of change which would be good for all - in MY opinion, and in my enjoyment as if recreational soccer only allowed three substitutions few would play.

Thanks for all the conversations - it's great to see divers opinions on something I enjoy so much.

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chrisnfolsom   7/10/2014 4:46:35 PM
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Really, arguing semantics is the best way to wast time and not address the argument.  Nothing is perfect, all things change over time.  There ARE bad suggestions (sorry mom), but really, some points are valid.

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Re: FIFA/Sepp Blatter took ages to introduce goal cameras
David Benjamin   6/30/2014 7:09:07 PM
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John Walko, nice to hear your voice among all the cacophony I set off. Your reminiscences are those of a real sports fan, one who marks the passage of the seasons as much by whose playing what sport as by the falling of the leaves and the budding of the cherry blossoms. You are also among the few who acknowledged, even tangentially, the stasis, corruption and geriatric conservatism that infests FIFA and tarnishes the game's beauty. You and I could sit down — actually, we have — and discuss the long-delayed tweaks that would preserve soccer's beauty while giving the fans a few more moments of actual celebration along the course of those 90-odd minutes. Go, Tottenham!

But a few notes. Someone wrote in saying: "Every match is not only about goals: It is about technical skills (different skills for different positions in the field), tactics, stamina, morale, concentration and luck." Well the exact same can be said for American football, baseball, basketball, ice hockey, field hockey, cricket, snooker, kickball, marbles, tiddly-winks, pingpong, tennis, Australian rules football, boxing, wrestling, hurling, rugby, water polo, regular polo, lacrosse, poker, hopscotch and 43-man squamish (to name a few). To suggest that soccer — thanks to its intentionally engineered dearth of scoring — demonstrates these qualities better than all these other sports (oops, I left out sumo. Did I mention that my book, "SUMO: A Thinking Fan's Guide to Japan's National Sport," has been in print by Tuttle Publishing for almost 25 years?) is simply a confession that the writer knows too little about sports (or too much about only one sport) to comment intelligently on any sport.

Finally, this: I've been castigated at least a dozen times for calling soccer "soccer," and not football. I should note that "soccer football" was a common term, especially in the UK, until well into the last quarter of the 20th century, in order to distinguish it first from "rugby football" and then "American football." Indeed, "futbol" is the worldwide term for what Americans (and until recently Brits) call soccer. Any moron knows this. But in an American context (which includes EE Times), saying "football" when you mean soccer is a form of petty purism that can only sow confusion. Besides, harping on this quirk of semantics is just plain childish.

David Benjamin

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prabhakar_deosthali   6/30/2014 7:26:17 AM
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I used to get bored with football earlier but with the improved technique of Television broadcasting , I have started enjoying watching this game ( off course only on TV).

One of things I like about football is your attention is all on action and not on score, unlike cricket or any other game such as basketball or tennis where the score keeps ticking every second ,  and you are more occupied by looking at the statistics than the actual game.

That way I would say football is Analog vs the other games which are Digital. That is why in Football only the Goal counts and not the intermediate steps (like the no of balls bowled or no of runs scored in cricket)

 

And, that uncertainty , that the goal can be made even in the last second of the match keeps your eyes fixed to the TV for all those 90 or sometimes 120 minutes of play.

To me this is probably the only game where , apart from the ball , no other accessories are used - no helmets, no gloves, no pads, no bats. Just the ball and how you can manuver it with your foot! 

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KB3001   6/30/2014 5:50:51 AM
@Benjamin, all the reasons you laid out to show that Football is dull, is precisely why the rest of the world love it. Personally, I do not want anything to change and I am not happy with the way things are going: cooling breaks??  what's next? Half-time entertainment?? God help us...

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halherta   6/24/2014 9:47:16 AM
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Ok....I enjoy playing and watching Football (Soccer if you're American...Football if you're from anywhere else ) I really do.  I also enjoy watching Basketball and Hockey (I'm Canadian).  But I don't go crazy over watching Sports. I don't expect them to be spectacular....I accept them and love them for what they are...... Heck I don't even really watch more than a few games a year.......I have other things that I do with my life.


This obsession that some people have with watching sports..where they support their team religiously is ridiculous. It speaks volumes about our culture when we spend more time watching sports than doing more important things.....things like 'critical thinking, reading, interacting with people in a more meaningful way than cheering some sports team while partially drunk.....and yes even PLAYING the sport. Remember sports are really supposed to be played....the watching sports thing is nice, but let's not go nuts over it

As I get older, I've become very selective about what I watch on TV period. I 'try' to watch shows that engage my mind, that tell a good story and that have at least some moral values.

I know that this might perceived as 'lame' by some....but remember.....you are what you watch.

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Re: FIFA/Sepp Blatter took ages to introduce goal cameras
jackOfManyTrades   6/24/2014 4:24:31 AM
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I notice that no one has challenged my hypothesis that the absence of scoring frustrates soccer fans to the point of violence

 

Sorry - I thought it was a joke. Seriously, you're serious? I suggest you read Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby if you want to understand football. Sorry, soccer.

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Re: This is a great World Cup
josetuna   6/22/2014 10:03:07 PM
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Chrisw270,

I couldn't agree more. This is so far a ***great*** world cup with very enjoyable games. So far the best I've seen since France 98.

Benjamin,

Football (Soccer) is one of the best sports to watch BECAUSE of the low scoring, among other reasons. In the most competitve matches (like the world cup) no result can be taken for granted since a single goal changes everything.

Every match is not only about goals: It is about technical skills (different skills for different positions in the field), tactics, stamina, morale, concentration and luck.

While a 10-1 game might be grat for a fan, is definitely boring for the neutral watcher (just as Chrisw270 stated) because that game is extremely uneven. A 8-8 match could only be possible with amateur (or plain awful) teams. A 1-1 can be an awesome match... In conclusion, you can't use number of goals as a figure of gameplay quality.

 

 

 

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