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tb100
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Re: No access to Play store
tb100   6/19/2014 7:13:06 PM
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I checked Android developer sites and developers love the Amazon site. Apparently people who use the Amazon store actually spend money, so app developers usually make more money from the Amazon store than from the Google store--Amazon's customers spend almost, but not quite as much as Apple customers spend in Apple's store.

And they apparently love the 'app free for 1 day' feature too. It is something they can ask to be part of (Amazon doesn't just make the app free against the developer's wishes), and it is seen as a good way to get word-of-mouth for a new app. The developer sites I looked at said that they wished Google had a similar option with their store.

The most captive market in the industry is Apple's iTunes. Do you feel the same way about that?

daleste
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Re: Forget the innovative technology - why would anyone buy a phone from Amazon?
daleste   6/19/2014 7:11:45 PM
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Did Amazon design and build this phone on their own or did they partner with an existing phone manufacturer?  If they did partner, anyone know who?

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Re: No access to Play store
joondan   6/19/2014 6:59:49 PM
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I don't buy your argument at all.  Amazon has far fewer apps on its app store, not because it's 'like Apple' and restricting developers from putting their apps on, but rather because Amazon insists upon having the right to give their app away for free whenever they feel like for their app store promotional purposes.  Developers are not happy with this policy and thus many avoid publishing their apps there because of this lack of control over their software's distribution. 

Amazon is pushing very aggressively to have a captive market, with Prime really locking in the online with free shipping, free music, kindle locking people into their bookstores, and fire tv for other media.  It's on a similar scale and power that you had with department stores wiping out smaller shops, and then walmart and strip malls taking over...  it's a paradigm shift that needs viable competition before everyone's locked in, not just complaints..

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Re: Forget the innovative technology - why would anyone buy a phone from Amazon?
alex_m1   6/19/2014 3:33:44 PM
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It runs android 4.2, But without google play services which come with play store.


And since the release of the kindle fire tablet, google released more and more new features as part of the play services and not the base os.

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Re: Automatic rating system based on facial expressions?
Susan Rambo   6/19/2014 3:27:42 PM
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Hi Betajet, speaking of satire I have a book I want you to review for EE Times. (I'm not kidding.) Send me an email -- susan.rambo@ubm.com.   --Susan

alex_m1
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Re: It's not a phone, it's an input device for Amazon's AI system.
alex_m1   6/19/2014 3:19:24 PM
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Junko, There's an amazon app similar to the firefly:

http://www.amazon.com/A9-Innovations-LLC-Powered-Amazon/dp/B008G318PE

Comparing the app and the Firefly once hw is availble would be interesting. Also comparing the flow app using a low/medium quality camera and a high quality camera , under likely use conditions of the firefly(my guess - taking a pic with roughly aiming) might give hints if the special hw is needed.

But one thing is very likely: this feature will be used more often and will be much more habit forming(for good and bad) when it's operated using an external button.

 

junko.yoshida
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Re: Automatic rating system based on facial expressions?
junko.yoshida   6/19/2014 3:10:50 PM
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@betajet, Satire? No, I'd say Reality.

betajet
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Automatic rating system based on facial expressions?
betajet   6/19/2014 1:54:25 PM
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< satire >
Hey, this is wonderful news.  With all those cameras on users' faces all the time, you'll be able to get much better product ratings based on users' facial expressions.  Instead of the mere 1 to 5 stars, you'll be able to see what percentage of viewers like the product (smiling), dislike the product (frowning), find the product disgusting (wrinkled nose and lips), or find the product utterly terrifying (eyes wide, screaming hysterically).

This is definitely information I want before I buy a product.
< /satire>

junko.yoshida
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Re: It's not a phone, it's an input device for Amazon's AI system.
junko.yoshida   6/19/2014 1:30:06 PM
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@alex128, you articulated better than I did -- in terms of what this input device is capable of doing. And that's probably precisely the reason why I am not so thrilled about this phone.

That said, new features such as "Firefly" and "Dynamic perspective" are pretty impressive.

junko.yoshida
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Re: Forget the innovative technology - why would anyone buy a phone from Amazon?
junko.yoshida   6/19/2014 1:26:35 PM
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DMcCunney, you wrote:

The fact that the Fire lacks access to the Google Play store implies the Fire phone runs a flavor of Android.


Exactly. This is based on Fire OS, which is a variation of the Android OS produced by Amazon. We do look forward to the teardown of this, of course.

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