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jimwilliams57
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Maybe I'm just getting old...
jimwilliams57   7/14/2014 11:38:29 AM
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I don't get it at all.  I installed have a Nest thermostat so that I can adjust it remotely, but frankly the only real benefit that I get from it is being able to have more than 4 set points during a 24-hour period.  I set it to return to the desired temp about once per hour so that if anyone changes it, it will return to my setting within an hour.  If I could do that with a non-IOT thermostat, I would.  I'd disconnect it from the wi-fi but programming the nest schedule without a networked device is just too difficult.

It bothers me when the firmware updates without my knowledge.  On one occasion, the Nest firmware update failed and it didn't restart properly.  We woke up to a cold house.  If I hadn't been home, my wife would have been on the phone with Nest customer support trying to find out why the heater wasn't working.  A simple device like a thermostat (or lightbulb) shouldn't require calls to customer support.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I have no desire for any other devices in my home to be talking to anything.

LOR100
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LOR100   7/14/2014 11:38:18 AM
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If you can't get this right, what else is wrong? You stated:

"This is a classic case that hearkens back to Asimov and 2001: A Space Odyssey. Once empowered by its network connection, the "smart device" — in this case, a lowly light bulb — outsmarts its human "host" and starts doing things nobody ever asked it to do."


Well, first, the movie/screenplay, "2001: A Space Odyssey", was written by Arthur C. Clark (and Stanley Kubrick). The book was authored by Clark. First mistake. Second, it was not a light bulb that outwitted the astronauts, if you are referring to the "lip reading incident", but one of HAL's (the computer) "eyes" (video I/O) that was able to lip read when the astonauts were trying to have a private conversation.

 

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Re: Some wrong premises
TonyTib   7/14/2014 11:36:50 AM
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Yeah, running on ship with just a few people works great....until disaster strkes (collision, running aground, etc).


I'm pretty sure modern tanker and freight ships are already highly automated.  I've seen pretty automated tug boats in action, with winches that hold a desired tension.  Also, new US Navy ships are more automated (especially gas turbine vessels), but if you be able to fight through damage, there's only so low you can go in manning requirements.

alex_m1
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Re: Why not self washing cars?
alex_m1   7/14/2014 10:25:17 AM
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@prabhakar_deosthali  : i read somewhere about self service and automated car washes. So it's not hard to imagine some solution fit for automated cars. But first we need automated cars!

prabhakar_deosthali
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Why not self washing cars?
prabhakar_deosthali   7/14/2014 8:01:25 AM
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One of the most essential tasks that every car owner has to do is to wash his car .

While we are talking about all kind of automation , infotainment and self driving fuction in the futuristic cars, nobody is talking about this simple but the most essential function - The car should be able to wash itself .

See how many millions  of man hours can be saved if the cars wash themselves early in the morning by  self-activating some kind of small sprinklers and moppers on its body and are sparkingly clean when you enter the garage to go out for your daily routine.

And I am not joking!

alex_m1
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Re: Solution looking for a problem
alex_m1   7/14/2014 5:55:01 AM
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@betajet: in general i agree with you about IDIOT, and the rest. There are many who try to build meaningless stuff.But most of our current jobs are based around selling  meaningless stuff - so in that perspective IDIOT might be useful.

I'm not sure thought about driverless cars. On one hand it could solve parking, and accidents and transportation costs and if deployed in a shared model  also a lot of the greenhouse  effects issues.


On the other hand, there's kutsu plus[1] - a new public transortation mode that might  compete with cars both on time,comfort and cost. The problems again are political and marketing based, but UBERXL combined with kutsu plus seems to point towards a scalable and efficient model. I think it's just a matter of time until this happens. And it could surely have a lot fo the benefits of the self driving cars[2] , without the complexity of self driving cars.

On the other hand , if society is to be free of work , we need self driving cars.And self driven cars will offer a much cheaper service, which is surely important.

[1]http://grist.org/list/helsinkis-personalized-bus-service-is-like-uber-for-public-transit/

[2]Accidents rate in public transportation are much lower than in private transportation.

[3]On call , relatively low cost SUV's  - http://blog.uber.com/uberxlsf

Pablo Valerio
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Pablo Valerio   7/14/2014 5:07:13 AM
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Junko, I believe your original question says everything.

I don't believe there is a need for connected devices at home except to build some basic safety features that most of them already have.

If I forget to turn off my coffee machine the one I have shuts down by itself. Same with the iron and the oven. I can program my washer to start up to 12H later, but it won't sort the clothes by itself (that would be something to pay for).

To me the new wave of IoT at home (except maybe for the thermostat) is just a buzz to help manufacturers to sell us more devices, accessories and consumables.

Like the new coffee machines that won't accept other brand's capsules, refrigerators that "know" what type of food we eat, and "smart" TVs that follow everything we watch.

I like the M2M and IoT idea of helping manage the power grid, provide services for "smart cities", help manage traffic and monitor noise and pollution.

But I don't see the need to have my washer talk to my grill, nor my iron to my coffee maker. 

Sheetal.Pandey
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Re: Some wrong premises
Sheetal.Pandey   7/14/2014 4:26:40 AM
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First of all I would like to say IoT is a small baby that yet learing to crawl. It needs support both at the technical level and social level. When internet was first introduced people have lot of inhibitions about it. But now you cant just live without it.

Privacy and Security are one of the main issues that IoT has to deal with and things are getting structured in the same path. But patience is what is needed.

Imagine if there is power pull down and your washer and grill can prioritise who needs to finish their work first. And a smart fridge can check out you are running out of groceries and vegetables and check in your favorite store what deals are going on and inform you on your smartphone and very well order them for you. This is future of technology and its bound to come.

Bert22306
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Re: Some wrong premises
Bert22306   7/13/2014 7:21:30 PM
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I don't know where it belongs because control devices based on sensors are basically SCADA systems.

Take for example the problem of running ships. In the past, you had the helmsman, lee helmsman, engine room operators, boiler room operators, navigator, and the duty officer, all doing the job that the duty officer alone should be able to do. And you also had multiple other men on watch, just to monitor gauges and levels, and ensure everything was operating correctly.

Nowadays, with IoT-type of systems, not only can the monitoring and control functions be accomplished by one or two people only, but the machinery can also be monitored back at the home base, so that any components that might soon require attention will already have been identified and any required replacement parts shipped ahead of time.

This type of system improves efficiency, deletes mind-numbing jobs, and it improves operational readiness. This type of scenario plays out in factories, power plants, or any situation where there's a lot of machinery involved. That's where IoT makes the most sense.

In short, SCADA and IoT are not mutually exclusive!

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Re: Some wrong premises
?-??>   7/13/2014 7:10:32 PM
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I don't get this hype about IoT and the reason why should devices talk between them; you all gave good comments about this scepticism. If IoT is not for homes, I don't know where it belongs because control devices based on sensors are basically SCADA systems.

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