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H-1B Visas: What to Expect in 2015

Kevin Casey
11/19/2014 09:55 AM EST

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Sheetal.Pandey
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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
Sheetal.Pandey   11/26/2014 11:20:16 AM
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Many H1B visas are being misused especially these services companies. They just get these visas and bring in people to do xl sheet work. And many people are also just so eager to be in USA no matter what they have to do there.

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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
voster   11/24/2014 10:15:09 AM
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Another reason why I don't think the wage suppression effects of H1-Bs are as great as many people think is because many of these hires get a green card within years, some in 2 years. This means they are no longer beholden to any employer and can compete freely as with other American citizens in the labor market.

 

In effect, this means that H1-B cheap labour is not necessarily viable over the long term, or even medium term. The counter-argument is of course, this is the reason why big corporations need to continue the immigration assembly line annually, to bring in new fresh blood. Certainly a valid argument.

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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
voster   11/24/2014 10:09:45 AM
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Employers should be looking for qualified candidates, irrespective of whether these candidates are US citizens or not. This sounds suspiciously like employers looking exclusively for candidates with H1B visas, in search of lower paid help.

 

I wonder the same about that as well, but come to a different conclusion. After all, the supply of foreign workers is pretty much set in stone: 85,000.

 

This must also take into account the fact that the H1-B visa includes high-flyer executives in some cases getting paid 7-figure sums, and fashion models.

 

So, increasing the number of H1-B applications, without actually increasing the absolute number of employees yielded, does not seem like a smart way of increasing the number of "lower paid help". You're quite likely to end up with the same proportion of that same size pie, year-on-year.

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Re: How are wages doing?
voster   11/24/2014 10:05:29 AM
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If there was truely a shortage of engineering/technical labor, wages would rise.  How are wages doing?

 


May not be as simple as that. Real wages have all but stagnated in the last 3-4 years, and engineering is not immune to this.

 

There's also the usual variable of mobility, i.e. H1-B applicants are naturally more mobile geographically.

 

Finally, not forgetting that not all engineers are alike and there are plenty of highly specialised skills. Having no shortage in general does not mean there are no areas of specialty that are in severe shortage.

 

I always encourage people having this debate to download the H1-B application database, which is available on the OFLC website (search 'performance data'). You are free to crunch through the salary numbers there and see that a majority, if not the vast majoritiy, are paid pretty much at market rates. Certainly, many are paid at levels that would easily put them in the top 20% of American income.

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Re: How are wages doing?
voster   11/24/2014 9:57:41 AM
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The answer is probably to push this visa more into the higher end.  For example, salary must be in the top 20%.  As engineers, we all know that the difference between good, very good and great is measured in orders of magnitude.

 


A very tricky policy to legislate for. E.g. what happens when a previously qualified visa-holder is pushed off the cliff edge when their salary, even if rising, falls below this threshold? Lose their jobs and deport?


There is also the issue that staffing is not just about getting the best in the business, but about the best at all levels. A talent pipeline cannot have only gurus in it (unless you're perhaps a very small company), but needs every stage of that pipeline supplied. So you'd want good 5+ year experienced workers as much as the 20+ year ones, because the company needs to look forward.

 

Having a stringent top end salary requirement means you can have shortages at some levels of this pipeline, hence why the H1-B system at least attempts to compare salary offered against what the market rate is for a specific job at a specific level, even if it may be imperfect.

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Re: How are wages doing?
garydpdx   11/23/2014 10:09:39 PM
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It's a function of what you do and who you work for.  On one hand, interns at Google are paid at a rate of $60K per year while full time over 100K is typical.  Likewise Facebook and Intel. The problem is in areas what are more commoditized, not that they are not important.


The answer is probably to push this visa more into the higher end.  For example, salary must be in the top 20%.  As engineers, we all know that the difference between good, very good and great is measured in orders of magnitude.

GSKrasle
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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
GSKrasle   11/19/2014 6:37:26 PM
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Yeah, it's like lawyers: 99% of them spoil the reputation of the rest....

David Ashton
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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
David Ashton   11/19/2014 5:24:13 PM
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@Bert - you mean you can get honest bean counters??? :-)

Bert22306
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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
Bert22306   11/19/2014 5:20:17 PM
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I can give you an answer in 2 words: Bean Counters!!!

Of course, you're right, David. But these are also dishonest bean counters, and I therefore find myself oh so unable to "feel their pain."

David Ashton
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Re: The process sounds wrong to me
David Ashton   11/19/2014 5:10:45 PM
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@Bert: "I can't begin to understand why employers should be the ones applying for any number of hires with H1B visas."

I can give you an answer in 2 words: Bean Counters!!!

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