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Apple vs. the FBI: What Would You Do?

Security experts weigh in for Apple
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trm1945
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trm1945   4/5/2016 1:50:27 PM
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If I were in power, I'd start firing people who insisted the phone aka people's right to privacy, be broken. These people are floating to the surface and can be picked off, one by one and with just cause. It's them versus the constitution and there's no reason for the constitution to come up a loser.

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rick merritt   3/28/2016 6:44:06 PM
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See: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/technology/apple-iphone-fbi-justice-department-case.html?_r=0

But we still need to figure out where to draw the digital line between law enforcement and privacy

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Re: Yes I would
emartinson90   3/10/2016 2:14:15 PM
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Uhhh.. they already have all the information they need. They got the call logs and text logs from the phone company already. They also know they are not in any way connected to any terrorist organizations. The guy was angry at his employer and retaliating. And happened to be brown.

Since there's nothing to gain and everything to lose, it's clear the government is only USING/taking advantage of a tragedy to gain power. The proof is in the huge number of low-level cases already starting to pile up that want to use this (non)authority.

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Re: Yes I would
dt_hayden   3/9/2016 2:35:15 PM
"those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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Re: Yes I would
rick merritt   3/8/2016 11:33:15 PM
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@R0ckstar and Simon:  At RSA the satory was told of a Juniper router that allowed an NSA backdoor that a hacker exploted, denying NSA access and giving it to the hacker with a simple "elegant" short piece of code.

Insofar as Apple has a big biz in China, the govt there has a lot of room to pressure it to do whatever it does for the FBI

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Re: Yes I would
R0ckstar   3/8/2016 3:13:36 PM
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This whole argument is ridiculous. Providing this tool to the US government is equivalent to giving it to the entire planet, just like their background check records, W88 missile designs, etc. No one's data will be safe except of course the terrorists, who will simply use alternative encryption methods. This case doesn't even meet the all writs requirement of no other alternatives. Law enforcement should be able to perform a hardware extraction and pull the raw flash contents to apply their brute force method on the data. Apple should have nothing to do with this.

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Re: Yes I would
Simon7382   3/4/2016 4:10:09 AM
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waaromikke:

The issue at hand relates to a terrorist attack in the US, a US company and to US law. One can argue about potential future consequences like you do. IMO if another friendly government needs similar anti-terror help from Apple in the future and they approach Apple via regular US law enforcement channels, Apple should comply. Fighting terrorism and preventing future murderous terror attacks should have priorioty over privacy concerns, in general.

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Re: Yes I would
Simon7382   3/4/2016 4:02:59 AM
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J---:

You may beleive that your phone is "an extension of your brain", or that is "technology embedded in you" but legally this is nonsense. And the issue at hand is a legal issue not an emotional issue. Furthermore, no one asks these two murderer terrorists to testify and incriminate themsleves. They are thankfully quite dead. Their abandoned phone does not "testify" against them but against their potential finaciers and/or co-conspirators who are accessory to mass murder. Finding them, if they exist, asap is in everyone's interest.

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Re: Yes I would
J---   3/3/2016 9:45:26 AM
You would ..... I wouldn't.

 

One cannot be compelled to testify against oneself or to self incriminate.

My phone, is an extension of my brain .... it stores things that my brain has not evolved to store efficiently, but if I could, I would just keep in my brain. As well, we have not yet ... but will develop direct brain/phone interfaces which would preclude storage on a phone of what one may consider "sensitive information" if our brains had evolved to store such information effectively and perhaps genetic engineering will provide us that capability .... and/or when you adjunct our brains with electronic neural implants .... which I would pretty much guarantee will happen.

When technology becomes embedded into a person .... really IS part of that person, should it be possible to get a warrant on the information in that technology?

 

..... really that is the question you are asking. The only reason we are not asking it yet, is the technology has not evolved far enough yet.

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J---   3/3/2016 9:39:22 AM
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Yes they go back and build businesses ..... but a much larger number are trying to "get out".

Ultimately, though, I am not sure the top 1 or 5% in many societies is indicative of the population. If you are a top earner in China right now, you can have a very nice life .... often much better than the west w.r.t. "ease", i.e. nice house, nice cars, servants, etc.

As a top earner, you can also leave China whenever you wish for vacation, etc. so one could claim the best of both worlds.

Even for many of the displaced from Syria (not economic migrants, but true refugees), what they want is not to live somewhere else, but to live safely at home, even if by our standards it is not a "great life". It's home .... and as the saying goes, home is where the heart is.

Ever look at the average winter temperature of some cities in Russia? Crazy ....but with populations >100K. Ditto for many areas we would not consider "nice", and everyone of those cities has successful rich people making a choice to be there.

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