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rick merritt
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Re: Wrong forum is wrong call
rick merritt   3/31/2016 10:35:54 AM
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Well said, Peter!

David_Ashton_EC
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Re: Wrong forum
David_Ashton_EC   3/29/2016 5:28:31 PM
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@Waaromikke....one of the nice things about EET is that we talk (and can talk) about ANYTHING.  Peter Clarke has put in a couple of basic ground rules below, which I agree with and try and follow. I will put a reasoned point of view but I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and will respect other opinions (but I do expect those opinions to be defended by those who promote them).

> I hope this is the last post here.

This verges on censorship.  What problem exactly do you have with this column, in the light of the above and Peter's comment below?

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Wrong forum is wrong call
Peter Clarke   3/29/2016 12:32:57 PM
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From time to time discussion in the EE Times Forum moves from technology and business to the politics that influences techno-business, and then to politics and life more generally.

All these things are interconnected.

Sometimes the discussion becomes heated, often it is futile or less than illuminating.

But i say let each and all have their say so long as it does not veer into racist, homophobic, or reigious hate speech.

To those that would shut down all poliical discussion in EE Times Forum i say: "All you have to do is not read those 'political' threads you are not interested in and stick to those threads you prefer?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wrong forum
dromdrom   3/29/2016 7:34:04 AM
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While most comments are very interesting I do not think EE Times is the right forum for this type of political discussion. There are many other more appropriate fora.

I hope this is the last post here.

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Re: Rick just doesn't get it...
Navelpluis   3/29/2016 7:15:23 AM
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@Marine_EE

I strongly disagree about the poverty and dispair: In Europe we are known about our 'money for free' and the enormous possibilities you have here to develop yourself as an individual.

Those people doing things like in Brussels are manipulated in their most critical time period: The adolecent years. Almost everybody between 12 and 17 can be bounced the way you want them to be. Everybody who has children knows this fact.

Extremely intolerant against intolerance is what we need here: Those RECRUTERS are the ones who should be prosecuted first and then marked as 'Persona Non Grata': You lost your citizenship here in Europe, please go away. And never come back.

Border protection is very important, but I think for most among here this is trivial.

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Re: Thanks
Navelpluis   3/29/2016 7:00:39 AM
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@ Seagull12

I agree with your wise words: Beeing located in Europe and -hopefully- 40 to 50 years to go there is only one thing I can say: We must be *extremely* intolerant against intolerance.  One of the methods is to push religion far more back, behind our front doors where it belongs. So religion -to my view- is for private purposes only so not to bother anyone with it.

Ataturk turned around in his grave while Erdogan took position in Turkey about religious position in societhy: A very dangerous cocktail with potentious conflict. Again, in our European 'back garden', making an utter mess, gainlng lots of money from Syrian refugees through Turkish smugglers. Syrians with money, trying to make their way to European mainland.

For the latter I am not pessimistic: Those who made their way to Europe are the people with potential. In the long end it will make Europe stronger as a society and as an economy. And certainly those Syrians who will prosper here in Europe :They will realize that one of the reasons forcing to go to Europe must have been... Religion. And they will tell their children too.

I found out that one way to eveluate a country status about religion and tolerance in society are gay rights. When that's okay, all other things mostly are okay as well. (uh, why have a problem with the luck of someone you might not even know.... try to explain this ... ) That's why we must be *utter* intolerant against intolerance. Stop those stupid dhimmies, even here in Europe politics, stop religion to take position in decision making organizations "Oh we gotto stop because we have to pray for Allah 4 times a day" "Eeeh, where is the east?" and ensure to point them to the wrong direction ;-)

 

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Re: The not unexpected mea culpas
David_Ashton_EC   3/28/2016 4:19:31 PM
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@DT_Heyden.... "What are the "normal rules" you mention regarding ISIS? "

Not harming civilians...Geneva convention type stuff...but no one seems to worry about that much any more, especially in Africa and the Middle East....

 

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Re: The not unexpected mea culpas
dt_hayden   3/28/2016 10:18:34 AM
Dealing with ISIS at this point is ugly.  Not having created them in the first place would have been a much better scenario.  We created them with our intervention in Iraq.  

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-origins-of-isis-finding-the-birthplace-of-jihad/

We can't seem to help oursleves and we  certainly have not learned a lesson from it.  This report, linked from Moyers site, says we have had special operations meddling in 150 countries from 2011-2014 (and there are only 196 nations total on the earth).   Continually mucking in other countries business is bound to have some consequences or blowback.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175945/tomgram%3A_nick_turse%2C_a_shadow_war_in_150_countries/

What are the "normal rules" you mention regarding ISIS? 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: USA 30,000 gun deaths per year
David Ashton   3/27/2016 6:19:38 PM
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@traneus, thanks for that.  I had the figure of 30 000 in mind, but did not realise two thirds of those were suicides.  That's another problem again then.....

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USA 30,000 gun deaths per year
traneus   3/27/2016 12:53:05 PM
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In partial answer to David Ashton's question, from New York Times Editorial 10sep2015: USA has over 30,000 gun deaths per year, of which nearly 20,000 are suicides.

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