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junko.yoshida
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Re: Hilarious title
junko.yoshida   8/16/2017 7:32:40 AM
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@Bert22306, hi, good to hear from you.

I appreciate your comments, as usual.

I just came across the following article on the Economist.

The e-mail Larry Page should have written to James Damore


https://www.economist.com/news/international/21726276-last-week-paper-said-alphabets-boss-should-write-detailed-ringing-rebuttal?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/

I thought you might enjoy a different point of view.

 

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Re: This thread is why Hillary lost
sranje   8/15/2017 2:51:20 PM
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Perhaps only socialism will make America great again    ;-))

But it is indeed sad that DNC invented Russia-Gate hoax to deflect attention from its corruption.

The damage of that desperation hoax is immense and extremely dangerous and against US basic interests

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This thread is why Hillary lost
emesdoublee   8/15/2017 12:22:31 AM
This whole discussion is why Hillary lost. America is tired of all the PC garbage, affirmative action, diversity talk, and perpetual victimhood. Silicon Valley is the bastion of the Liberal left. It's the liberal elite echo chamber. It's too bad all you libs don't realize that socialism has failed every time it has been tried. Yet you keep at it with all your identity politics and bernie love. I think you are all still just staggered and stumbling at your massive defeat and continue to explore the numerous stages of grief for your incredible loss. Enjoy the next 7 years of Donald J. Trump!

The Silicon Valley liberal elite echo chamber got its face smashed into the pavement by Donald J. Trump and the rest of America on Nov. 8. That's why the CEO of Linkedin went on his lefty screech. He should have been fired. He was basicially threatening conservatives to keep their mouth shut at work.

Google is a major lefty lib snowflake zone. Demore is right, you have to keep your mouth shut there if you are a conservative. You  get fired if you open it and sure enough he did.

Make America Great Again Silicon Valley! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Bert22306
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Hilarious title
Bert22306   8/14/2017 8:56:24 PM
Right away, I knew who the author of this piece was, Junko. Laughed out loud at the title. Very clever.

The excerpts of Lamore's manifesto that you posted, however, did not elicit any great amount of visceral opposition, from me, although I can certainly appreciate that they do so in others. Many others, in fact. So here's a small example that might explain the difference in perspective. Quoting from the very tail end of the article:

In conclusion, Zunger said: "It's true that women are socialized to be better at paying attention to people's emotional needs and so on — this is something that makes them better engineers, not worse ones."

To me, this sounds not only like unabashed pandering, but it also sounds like exactly the same problem people are complaining to Lamore about, no? In our eagerness to show how open minded we are, we make exactly the same faux pas (or is it faut pas, as in must not?). It's not enough to utter pleasanteries about how everyone has an important contribution to make, we feel obliged to go that extra step, putting in question our sense of personal virtue.

The truth seems to be, there are certain subjects that we simply cannot address. And yet, the statistics are pretty clear. These days, the vast majority, and I mean very vast majority, of graduating veterinary doctors are women, whereas the somewhat equal majority of graduating engineers are men. So what? Just better avoid attempting to explain the engineer part. Trying to explain why women excel in vet medicine, which is certainly a difficult discipline, will not likely get you in as much hot water.

The way I see it, in an era in which employers, and schools, bend over backwards to striclty avoid gender bias, and even to artifically reverse gender bias if they can, some disciplines and some professions are showing very strong gender biases. While others are not. This goes both ways. It's one thing to explain gender bias when the hiring or admissions process is overtly biased. Quite another when that has been taken away. Just best let those sleeping dogs lie, though.

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Equality cannot be created by virtue of force
Rishi123_0623   8/14/2017 8:29:25 PM
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I am a great believer in equality of all beings. I also beiieve in the fact that the force seldom works. I see a certain amount of coercion in the way the equality is being talked about and implemented. People trying to implement and achieve equality are in hurry and they don't respect the other side's sentiments. It takes time and sometimes generations to effect a good idea. It would be wonderful to have everyone understand whenever a good idea is introduced but world is not ideal.The forceful behavior and talk will not benefit any cause, howsoever good it might be. Patience is key. I wish the employee at Google was not fired, it creates a bad taste. He could have been coached and provided guidance.

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Re: Letter to the Editor
Evariste   8/14/2017 7:13:28 PM
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Junko, you said you were going to tell us the real issue, but I'm not sure I understand what you think it is.

As I see it, the issue is whether or not companies should "artificially increase" (as you say) the numbers of women in engineering.  

I'm not sure who you are addressing when you say "Never use 'differences' as an reason to exclude femaie engineers on your team."  Who was suggesting that?  And drawing on the syllogism of race and sports does not help your case.  

Evariste
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Re: Spot on
Evariste   8/14/2017 6:19:39 PM
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Does a woman digging a hole in the ground differ from a male?

You should probably try to come up with some examples which don't involve upper-body strength.

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Re: Spot on
sixscrews   8/14/2017 1:34:09 PM
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Thanks, Junko - but, on reading it again I realize it's not exactly lucid prose.  Still makes the point, as you say.

ss/wb

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class-action age lawsuit numbers 269
calengr   8/13/2017 9:48:53 PM
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https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-job-bias-lawsuit-against-google-that-nobody-is-talking-about/

fm@octoscope.com
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Re: Should all people that agree with him be fired too?
fm@octoscope.com   8/13/2017 5:18:46 PM
Agree or disagree with James Damore, it is frightening that Google finds it necessary to suppress any discussion on this issue. Having grown up in the former Soviet Union, I see totalitarian trends here.  Conformists now appear to dominate Google and other tech companies. I invite our tech community find some guts to debate rather than demonize those who hold opposing views.

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