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Would You Drive a Stop-Start Vehicle in 2014?
12/30/2013

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Les_Slater
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Re: What are drawbacks?
Les_Slater   1/2/2014 1:23:56 PM
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Mazda claims 0.35 second engine restart for its i-stop system.

_hm
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Re: What are drawbacks?
_hm   1/2/2014 12:37:56 PM
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Is it possible to to conduct quantitative evaluation so as to know exact delay time or response time? Toyot/GM/Honda may have these numbers.

Once this is compared with non-sttop-start vehicle, it can be improved and dispense with.

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Re: What are drawbacks?
Duane Benson   1/2/2014 11:44:33 AM
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Jim re "I used to drive a 2009 Chevy Silverado hybrid pickup..."

I'm glad you commented on your real-world experience. I was wondering specifically about this vehicle. I suspect it's much more representative of what we would expect. In concept, it sounds great to start movement with a big electric starter while the gas engine is starting up. However, the need for immediate power can overwhelm it on occasion.

Back when early electronic fuel injection came along, I noticed a delay between hitting the accelerator and the engine reving up. With a carburator, the accelerator pump would squirt extra gas in as the pedal was pressed, causing immediate response. However, with the first throttle body fuel injection I drove, you press the accelerator, alowing more air in. After that air passes through the engine, the oxygen sensor would detect an overly lean mixture and then add more gas.

That delay, though quite short, was enough to cause a concern now and then similar to your Silverado concern. Even a half a second can be quite unnerving in a setting you described.

jimwilliams57
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Re: What are drawbacks?
jimwilliams57   1/2/2014 9:47:00 AM
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I used to drive a 2009 Chevy Silverado hybrid pickup and my wife currently drives a 2012 Prius, both of which stop the engine when the vehicle stops (assuming certain conditions such as engine is warmed up, battery is sufficiently charged, etc.)

The Silverado being such a heavy vehicle (5000+ lbs) with a large V8 engine is more similar to a start-stop vehicle than the Prius.  Even though the Silverado had a 300 volt battery driving a powerful starter motor, there was a noticable delay when transitioning from stop to start.  On more than one occasion, as I pulled onto a rural highway not far from a blind curve, an 18-wheeler abruptly appeared from around the curve necessitating immediate action on my part. With the gas pedal on the floor, I could almost count the milliseconds while waiting for the engine to start.  (The Prius is far more frightening in this situation since the engine is very small by comparison.)

Admittedly, this would not happen with a start-stop vehicle since the car wouldn't be driving into the busy highway before the engine started. But I can imagine a situation where such acceleration would be necessary from a complete stop.

With a manual transmission, I assume it would be less noticable since the driver is more in control of when the engine starts (by depressing the clutch). But what about an automatic? If an emergency situation requires immediate power, will the gas pedal be on the floor before the engine has had time to start?

It's just too much of a safety concern for me.

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jackOfManyTrades   1/2/2014 9:04:43 AM
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<<Of course, knowing that your engine will shut down if you miss the green means more people will try to outrun them>>

I've been driving one for over 2 years. It only shuts down if I put it in neutral; if I sit with my foot on the clutch, it doesn't. So, it's my choice whether to shut it down or not. If I decide to shut it down, it takes as long as it takes to press the clutch and put it in first (0.5 seconds?), which is probably less time than the red and amber and as I'm not am amber gambler...

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What are drawbacks?
_hm   1/1/2014 6:39:56 PM
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It looks good and may be employed in some countries. However, does this have long term reliability issues and other drawbacks?

The technology can make car greener, but can it also endanger life of driver in some critical conditions?

 

Les_Slater
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Most cars will have to be hybrid to reach the 54 mpg goal.
Les_Slater   1/1/2014 12:58:02 PM
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The problem isn't just waisted fuel while stopped, it's more the energy that is waisted in braking. Many of the problems raised with the start/stop technology have to be addressed with hybrid as well. This certainly applies to heating, cooling and maintaining proper engine temperature.

It would make sense to drive air conditioning compressor with electric motor run off the same battery system as traction motors. Any heating not immediately available from engine should be derived from directly oxidizing some of the fuel.

Les_Slater
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Re: Did stop/start long ago
Les_Slater   1/1/2014 12:41:02 PM
Me too, with a '74 Fiat.

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MeasurementBlues   1/1/2014 12:39:00 PM
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A broadcast countdown, yes that's what we need. We have countdowns for pedestrian lights, why not have them for vehicle traffic?

Of course, knowing that your engine will shut down if you miss the green means more people will try to outrun them, causing more accidents, injuries, and deaths. But, we'll save energy.

Les_Slater
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Les_Slater   1/1/2014 12:31:37 PM
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Yes, broadcast a countdown from the trafic light.

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