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docdivakar
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docdivakar   8/24/2010 2:00:00 AM
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The discussions above take me back to the print days of EE Times where we had scores of debates on H1B's, globalization, immmigration, cheap labour, and on and on... Eventually market forces win, won they have, and have continued to do so despite one's sentiments and national pride. The past decade has seen incredible progress in driving the cost down on electronics while cannibalizing the very customer market it was supposed to market to! When jobs disappear to lower cost locations and replenishment of opportunities is non existent, we know that this model is seriously flawed. The basic premise of globalization was that given a "level" playing field, any enterprise from any country that delivered the most value is supposed to win. It was not supposed to be a zero-sum game but one with more value additions and opportunities to all sides. A continuing non-equilibrium was supposed to keep the top of the pyramid running while creating more opportunities for the stacks below. In an era of increasingly open and accessible knowledge, it has become almost impossible to keep the top replenished with value-based opportunities. Much blame can and should be assigned to profit at any cost. Investors and VC's always talk about exit strategy -you seldom hear about any 'staying' or 'commitment' strategy! If there is ever an undoing of the capitalistic model, it is this greed from a few corporate behemoths that value money over minds and have the clout to sway entire continents. Until a conscientious capitalistic model evolves, we are doomed to be stuck in this predicament and pay the prices. In my world and in my own words, Capitalism 2.0 = Conscientious Capitalism! As the owner of a struggling 3-person startup, I am proud to say this: at the end of the day, my assets go home! MP Divakar

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KESERT   8/24/2010 3:58:16 AM
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Huawei want USA market,but not business mode of USA.

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kdboyce   8/24/2010 6:13:54 AM
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To Mr. Divakar's "Capitalism 2.0 = Conscientious Capitalism" statement I would add the necessity of a nation's overall survival. Some would see this as a "market" survival within a nation, e.g. the population must be able to buy/acquire goods and services regardless of a particular political slant. If we produce nothing, we can afford nothing. If we cannot (or will not) produce what we need to survive, then we are at the mercy of other nations. And unless we can do far better than this minimum standard, we cannot afford to buy from anyone else. Is that where we want our Nation to be? For me, the answer is an emphatic NO!

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Etmax   8/24/2010 1:22:29 PM
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100% behind you on that. When China is a true member of the world community with fair equivalent wages and benefits, has environmental laws and a real democracy so that we are on an even footing, then we can talk about it.

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rick merritt   8/24/2010 1:54:07 PM
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Interestingly, Huawei took an active role among organizers and presenters at Hot Chips and the Multicore Expo in recent months. Cisco and Alca-Lu did not.

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VincePG   8/24/2010 5:47:38 PM
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When you consider we are trading away our standard of living, those cheap products at Wal-Mart aren't so cheap after all. China is second to the US in military spending(granted a long second, but growing). They got the first contract to develop the $1trillion mineral deposits in Afghanistan(apparently with the US blessing) Iran and Iraq already mentioned. In 2009, we exported about $70B to China and we imported about $300B, which to me is shocking given all the building going on in China. Proof of import restrictions against US goods? As of June, 2010, China has about a $2.5 trillion foreign exchange reserve, most of which was created under the approving eye of President Bush. China is lobbying very hard to remove the US dollar as the reserve currency. They’ve attacked our currency and export base by blindly pegging their currency to the US dollar. China is now balking at buying more treasury bonds with the money from all the imports we take from China(they hold about $850B). China does not respect international patents and seems to systematically steal intellectual property. China is the #1 foreign cyber terrorist and has been suspected in cyber attacks against our power grid and defense computers. Now I find it very puzzling given these circumstances, why the US is concerned whether China gets a fair shake in competing on US contracts. China seems like a spoiled child, with the US playing the parent’s role. It seems no matter what's done for this spoiled child it just wants more. We should treat China like the hardball competitor that they truly are, instead of some sort of weak reformed communist ally which they are not.

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suckme   8/24/2010 6:38:14 PM
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Hey Rick, I don't get your logic. If we really decided to have a trade war with them, I think we could hurt them more than they could hurt us. If they say no Cisco, we can say nothing made in China comes to America. The truth is that the Chinese are sleazy stealers of US tech. Huwaei copied the Cisco router and made millions of that copy. Why don't you get on board in protecting American IP interests and tech jobs here.

suckme
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suckme   8/24/2010 6:39:48 PM
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Oh, it's probably because you are an Obama loving lib. They are Republican Senators. Get ready for a blowout in November.

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Zeev00   8/24/2010 8:33:48 PM
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Rick Merritt: "Interestingly, Huawei took an active role among organizers and presenters at Hot Chips and the Multicore Expo in recent months. Cisco and Alca-Lu did not." Meaning exactly what? That participation in Hot Chips is relatively inexpensive and Huawei can afford it? That Huawei is more "socially responsible" than Cisco? That Huawei is in some way "smarter" than Cisco? I expect somewhat more from journalists than just write important sounding but meaningless prose. So far I have been disappointed.

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Robotics Developer   8/24/2010 8:51:26 PM
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I would echo the concerns for allowing a non US based company from acquiring major networking companies in the US. We rely too heavily on the internet (both public and Armed Services) to risk potential security breaches that this would potentially enable. I am not saying the company would do anything illegal but why risk it? How many other companies / countries are barred from providing systems/components to the federal government especially when DOD is involved? It just makes sense that we should protect our national interests.

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