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David Ashton
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David Ashton   2/28/2013 8:54:43 PM
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Well said, przemek. Presumably sprite0022 is defending the right of someone to fly planes into buildings and kill large numbers of people because he does not like porn? Puhleeeze! And if Osama did not like porn, all he had to do is stay in his cave in Afghanistan and I can pretty well guarantee that none would get to him. You may find porn immoral (I do to some extent) but it's legitimate in the US and no one is stealing anything from anyone to produce or export it. So what's your point, sprite0022?

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EREBUS0   2/28/2013 9:17:00 PM
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I think we need to define when is an idea, IP? Once you discuss an idea with anyone, you have already planted the seeds for optional applications. Once an idea is documented, either via a patent or a copy right, then it is up to everyone to respect the filers claim or contest its validity. Yes the system looks a bit convoluted, but lawyers rule the world. Any engineer can look at another persons idea and see how to do it differently and I have yet to see a patent that covered all of the possibilities, despite soom law suits to the contrary. What I really object to is blatant copying of an idea or technology to unfairly compete in the market place. This approach is WRONG at all levels. I also object to a company using the excuse of IP as a way to squash all competitors. Not everyone steals your IP exactly, most just find a new way to do the same thing with your basic idea. You should respect their new approach. It may be better than your own. Just my opinion.

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sprite0022   3/1/2013 12:56:45 AM
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@ ashton, You may find ice immoral but it's legitimate in the china and no one is stealing anything from anyone to produce or export it. So what's your point, besides, you love porn, i can smell it.

David Ashton
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David Ashton   3/1/2013 1:02:15 AM
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(sigh) Why do I respond to these trolls...???

sprite0022
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sprite0022   3/1/2013 1:05:21 AM
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americans are quite generous in delivering free porn IPs to other country. why it start whiling now? From: Alfred Childers [mailto:pazcalma@hananet.net] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:35 PM To: SA_CHINA Subject: Do not bury your love life before time Time is a pleasure; make it more long-lasting http://jalarammandalmulund.org/happened.html

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eewiz   3/1/2013 4:34:10 AM
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Having sat through 2 graduate courses,as part of my PhD program, on IP by a leading Taiwanese IP expert(he was visiting professor at my university), I can tell how Asians view western IP. The summary of the courses were "go ahead and INFRINGE" . I was taught how to "design around" a patent so as to get the same functionality without technically violating the patent. And what to do if get caught. I want to say, IP theft is here to stay. And nothing much can be done to stop it. Even in the US, corporations steal IP from one another. I remember one of my friend's friend who was hired at Marvel, his official daytime job was to read through all Broadcom patents, and come up with IP that "design around" the Broadcom patent.

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ost0   3/1/2013 9:23:00 AM
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But isnt it irritating when someone has a patent on some IP you already thought about or even worked hard on? I think its too easy to claim IP. But luckily its easy to proove partly or full copies, both in sw and hw, if the inventor just spends a little time to hide some unique patterns. Ive used it myself in firmware, where I hid some unique text, zipped and tooked the header out and baked the data into the code together with some constant tables. There is no chance copying this without including the trace unless they reverse engineer every tiniest bit of the firmware. The copies was stopped efficiently, even if they tried to hide the tracks.

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ost0   3/1/2013 9:26:35 AM
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Ok, this doesnt work well with design IP, but maybe there should be a demand for fingerprinting on HW and SW to even be able to take the cases to court? But of course, if the gear is developed in china/india, maybe you're in trouble in the first place :p

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mtripoli   3/1/2013 7:42:45 PM
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I have to agree with "eewiz". I've been a "designer" (I despise the word "inventor") for practically my entire professional career. More than once I was asked to review a patent, find the "holes" and work around them. During the course of doing this I was handed patents for things like using an H-bridge driver in a circuit. I balked and said "How is it possible that they got a patent on such an absurdedly obvious thing?". The answer is always the same "They got the patent for using that circuit in THIS particular device" (a heart defibrillator to be exact in this instance). I'm not the first to say it and won't be the last, the "Patent System" is broken beyond repair. If I "come up with" anything I think worthy, I release it into the public domain as fast as possible. I have never had "an original thought" in my entire life; we are the products of what has come before us(and if you think that you are so special that YOU have "original ideas" do yourself a favor and search on ANY TWO words at alibaba.com and see how "original" you are). This gets away from the point of this blog post; Of course, the question is rhetorical and the answer as stated is it is never okay to "steal" IP, under any circumstances. I wouldn't walk into your shop and "borrow" a screwdriver, nor would I take your "idea". But when we've fostered and protected the idea that one can round the corners on a rectangle and get away with saying "No one has ever thought of this before and we'll crucify anyone that tries to do it from here on out" then we lie in the bed we've made. Oh wait, the rounded corner rectangle was used in a *consumer device" and no one has ever done THAT before. Except for when they did... No matter, I have more money than you so I'm right.

Battar
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Battar   3/1/2013 7:48:45 PM
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On the other hand, you have companies trying to claim as their own IP ideas which they did not originate, and are, in fact, public knowledge. You only have to look at the number of patent applications that the USPTO reject as not novel to understand the picture. A lot of unoriginal patents still slip through the system.

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