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Daryl Anderson
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Daryl Anderson   6/18/2013 10:18:22 PM
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I'm with you. I have a "dumb" phone. I'm stalling as long as I can on avoiding paying for an overpriced dataplan. What a racket (especially if your kids all "must have" smart phones).

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jessebot   6/19/2013 1:58:51 AM
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You need to shop around, and ignore at&t/verizon/sprint/t-mobile. I pay $45/mo (that's the total price) for virgin mobile for a very capable smartphone. When I hear what people pay at&t and verizon (like I used to) I think (quietly to myself) s u c k e r ...

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konjiki   6/19/2013 9:12:45 AM
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These bozos have been exposed since the '90s. There is a tremendous market opportunity in replacing them with lava lamps.

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EVVJSK   6/19/2013 12:31:44 PM
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Nokia was a "victim" 2 years ago when Stephen Elop went all in on Windows Phone way to early. He could have commited some resources to Windows Phone and let it and Symbian compete for a couple of years. Windows Phone has proven to be a marginal product and Nokia lost quite a bit of money (although Microsoft did pay them some) on lost Symbian sales. Eventually Symbian would have been replaced with Meego/Android/Etc.. but having gone all in, Nokia is stuck with what Microsoft is giving them for business and the "all important" platform.

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Jack.L   6/19/2013 12:34:05 PM
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Thank you for the reply DMcCunney. I believe Apple will adapt their price to where they maximize overall profit. I believe that price point will be lower than it is today though, just like their computers are cheaper than they were X years ago. They will still carry a premium of course. Another thought on cloud computing. When adequate processing power for cloud computing interfacing is dirt cheap, then it will just be built into the user I/F and there will be no need for a carry-all processor unit. That was what I was trying to get at. I do use my phone when I am out for tasks that would traditionally be done on a bigger screen. I don't like it, but it is better than the alternative (being home) and/or there is just no alternative as you pointed out to carry anything bigger. It is not very productive though. Things take a lot longer, even with mobile s/w.

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DMcCunney   6/19/2013 4:13:45 PM
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"I believe Apple will adapt their price to where they maximize overall profit." And the question is what that price may be. I've seen suggestions elsewhere that they would bring out cheaper models to increase market share, but I'm skeptical. Part of the problem is that Apple is a victim of its own success. The market rewards growth with high stock prices, and Apple's is in the ionosphere. But it's looking like the high end of the market is saturated. There is still a substantial iPhone market, but that's more replacements and upgrades than new sales. Everyone is waiting for Apple's next blockbuster category creating product, like the iPad, and if it doesn't have one, the stock will be hammered. "When adequate processing power for cloud computing interfacing is dirt cheap, then it will just be built into the user I/F and there will be no need for a carry-all processor unit." And what will the user I/F be? Something like Google's Chromebook seems to be the direction such things will go. But cloud access is not universal. What happens if you don't have it? What if you are someplace where there isn't a wifi hotspot, and maybe you can't use a smartphone as a modem? Speaking personally, I'd want at least some processing and storage capacity. I might not be able to use if for everything I did, but I could use it. The device won't need to be really powerful, but will need to be more than a thin client. Agreed on the disadvantages of mobile devices for may sorts of taks, and it's why I prefer not to do such things with them. But we're systems guys who do that sort of thing. What does the average smartphone user do with a computer? Largely, things you *can* do on a phone, and increasingly, users are.

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Neo10   6/20/2013 2:07:57 AM
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This is PC scenario repeating for handhelds. Phones as computing device face the same commoditization issue.

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anon7632755   6/21/2013 6:20:57 PM
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Just an aside, but might I suggest that the engineers get paid what a stock analyst gets paid, and he gets our salary?

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old account Frank Eory   6/21/2013 9:05:25 PM
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Exactly. Not too many years ago, if you had showed someone that chart, in which mighty Nokia is lumped in with "Others," their reaction would have been one of disbelief.

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SPLatMan   6/22/2013 10:47:51 PM
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"... transportable computing platform" That would be my ideal device, as I alternate between a home-office and an office-office. A phablet sized device with real grunt and terabyte storage, capable of docking into multiple large screens, keyboard and mouse. I don't see the cloud as useful, because it will always be slower than local storage, and I work with large files.

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