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Intelís Bay Trail Is a Game Changer

Jon Peddie
8/23/2013 00:00 AM EDT

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krisi
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Re: Where is the meat?
krisi   8/24/2013 10:45:43 AM
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I agree with @KB...some numbers would be nice

krisi
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ergonomics
krisi   8/24/2013 10:54:19 AM
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The discussion here is mostly about computing power...for sure tablets are getting more powerful and can do what PCs could do few years ago...and PCs in turn in the past became as powerful as old workstations...but this is all semantics...transition from workstation to PCs was noticed by engineers, for the rest of the wold nothing has really changed, yes, price came down, vendors changed but computer remained a computer


The supposed shift from laptops to tablet transition is different...in addition to price, computation power, and vendor shift there is one dramatic difference: the tablet is small physically. Using it is not ergonomical. You can't see everything, you can't draw something precise quickly, you can't type very quickly and reliably, you can't work very efficiently for long period of times...your eyes and fingers are just suited that well to the tablet...this is fundamental reason it will not take over the laptop...for similar reasons Google eyeglasses or Apple iWatch will not take over from tablets...unless humans start growing larger eyes and smaller fingers, but that might take a while;-)

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Re: Sell thru of x86/Windows tablets
KB3001   8/24/2013 11:30:25 AM
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"It's the x86-based tablets, using Intel's new Atom-based SoC and AMD's APU that will allow us to do real work on a tablet. I agree, the Android tablets are imposible and don't have the app base for producity (Sure, you canget by and compromise by unlearning everything you did learn for the past ten years). X86 tablets will change the game and our usage modes"

 

What does this mean!? Where is the data that support these assertions? All the benchmarks that I have seen show Intel-based solutions for tablets well behind ARM-based ones. That includes performance and performance per battery life.

As for productivity, what are most people using their tablets for? circuit simulation? It's mostly used for email, web surfing, audio and video consumption. Surely there is no need for any "unlearning" here. And if you want PC applications on your tablet, surely the way is not to use processor technology designed for PCs. Yes, you might have the tools but you won't have much time to use them before the battery goes flat!

 

I am sorry but I have been reading/hearing the above assertions so many times lately and I can't for the life of me see any reason to believe them. Show us the numbers, please!

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Re: Sell thru of x86/Windows tablets
jonpeddie   8/24/2013 11:41:17 AM
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There are no numbers so I don't know what you've seen. Intel will announce a new Bay Trail SoC at IDF in early Septmeber and release benchmark numbers then.

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Re: Sell thru of x86/Windows tablets
KB3001   8/24/2013 12:29:49 PM
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@jonpeddie, have a look at this EETimes blog: http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1318857

In it you can see a reference to a number of benchmarks showing Intel lying well behind ARM-based SoCs, and explaining how false is the latest AnTuTu benchmark. The academic in many is very disappointed with such baseless claims - fair play to all parties involved but please let's not bend science and facts to suit our aims.

 

Anyway, I look forward to the IDF annoucement in early September as you said, perhaps we will then get some useful numbers....

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Re: Sell thru of x86/Windows tablets
jonpeddie   8/24/2013 1:07:20 PM
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Oh - OK, now I know what you mean. That was a highly discredited test, and done on an old (and unimpressive) Intel aprt.

Wait a few weeks for the new stuff. It will be surprising, and as you can imagine, contriversial.  Jon

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Re: media consumption to content creation
DrFPGA   8/24/2013 1:20:12 PM
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I have been on the Media Consumption side of this argument for quite some time, but perhaps my view of Content Creation is biased due to my engineering viewpoint.

What if the vast majority of Content being created is now for Facebook, Youtube, Blogs and similar  "small" productions. The content from engineers, high end graphics designers and video productions may not be generated with a tablet for quite a while but the vast majority of "content" may actually be in reach. They may also be in reach of an advanced cell phone too!    

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Re: media consumption to content creation
KB3001   8/24/2013 2:30:00 PM
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I think 4G, 5G, and beyond, we will enable more content creation from mobile computers (smart phone/tablets). The ergonomic question will get resolved through standard keyboard, mouse and display clip-ons to mobile computers and the computing power question will get resolved through high bandwidth cloud services.

 

Unlike many here, I think the PC as we know it today will be a thing of the past sooner than many people predict. For consumers' sake, I hope Intel and Microsoft will be just one of many many players in the new era. I actually think that's how it will pan out in the end.

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Intel's Bay Trail
geoyar   8/24/2013 6:57:12 PM
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A tablrt is too big to take with you onto a bus from suburb to the city. I have observed most people on the bus are using smart phones. But many home users do not need a PC: it is overkill for them. They might be tablet guys if the tablets would be cheaper. Now you can buy a PC for $329. iPad is $400 - 600. So is problem of price: the tablets are going to replace PCs at home if all you need is to get your email or surf Internet. For now laptops are preferable for students and even professionals/

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Re: Sell thru of x86/Windows tablets
Wilco1   8/25/2013 8:53:26 AM
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Jon, the benchmark was discredited precisely because Intel was cheating it. Intel has a long history of artificially inflating benchmark scores using their ICC compiler. So far there have been a few Geekbench results leaked for Bay Trail. As can be predicted from its limited out-of-order microarchitecture, Bay Trail has lower IPC than the aggressive OoO Cortex-A15, and can only compete at higher frequencies. However it requires a lot of power at high frequencies, eg. the quad 1.9GHz E3840 has a 10W TDP! Compare that with the new Nexus 7 tablet which Anand measured as using 2W in total when running CPU intensive benchmarks.

 

So you could say that Bay Trail finally narrows the large gap in performance between the current Atom and ARM cores. However calling it a "game changer" is rather premature and wishful thinking.

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