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free_electron
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By far the best
free_electron   8/16/2013 10:07:28 AM
Soldering iron. Everyone has one, it's cheap and far more accurate than even the best simulator will ever be.

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Re: By far the best
Caleb Kraft   8/16/2013 10:53:56 AM
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While that may be true, it is incredibly inefficient for prototyping a large circuit. Especilly if you're trying to figure out a problem that may not necessarily need to be built. 

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Re: By far the best
free_electron   8/16/2013 5:22:46 PM
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The problem is models. 99% of the simulators out there come with zero models. And for 99% of the componetns out there you can't even get an accurate model !

i built a simple (4 opamps , a mosfet and some r's and c's) constant current sink. i used all LT opamps and even mosfet that was in LTspice. According to LTspice the thing would oscillate and have all kinds of unwanted behavior. on bench it worked just fine. built over 500 of those and not a single one exhibits the behaviors the simulator was showing me...

the trick ? having a ferrite bead shoved over the gate of the mosfet, correct grounding strategy keeping cross currents at bay and ohter PCb wizardry.

Good luck pluggin that into the sim ... The sim is only as good as the models you feed it. and sadly most models are inaccurate or simply wrong.

 

opamp in gain x 10, feed it 10 volts, and power it with 5 and -5 ... you'll be amazed how many sims show the output at 100 volts.. ( with 5 volt rails ? seriously ? )

 

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Re: By far the best
Sanjib.A   8/17/2013 1:06:32 AM
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Thanks for the insight! This is a very important point you have mentioned. Using the incorrect models and differences between grounding in the practical scenario vs in simulation causes a lots of differences between simulation vs practical results. Earlier I used to use a ORCAD student's version [it was not free but less costly]...it was good. Currently I use LTSpice a lot and TINA sometimes. I like LTSpice over TINA, but as you have mentioned, I tend not to believe just on the simulation results but also to make a quick bread board circuit and scope to check if it would work as I expect it to.

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Re: By far the best
Hughston   8/22/2013 11:58:21 AM
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When using discrete parts in LTSPICE, look at the models. They are often not the real thing. Add the model card and put the real models in if you want better results. Or make your own model.

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Re: By far the best
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 4:16:23 PM
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great tip, that isn't something I would have thought of checking. 

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Re: By far the best
Hughston   8/22/2013 12:06:12 PM
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You don't always need the model. You might only care about the component tolerance. It depends upon the level of accuracy you are seeking. You can also use a spreadsheet for some calculations. Sometimes that's easier than SPICE.  If you have a lot of unknows in you system, then should you spend a lot of time on the models?

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Re: By far the best
Sanjib.A   8/22/2013 12:28:13 PM
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Thank you for the advice. True...if I have lots of time, usually which is not the case, then a thorough investigation about the models would be possible. In general I tend to simulate to check the concept would or would not work. After ordering the prototype board and before those arrive, the time could be utilized for detailed simulation to be prepared for the mods on prototype...to avoid surprises and frustration :)

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Re: By far the best
mike_m   8/20/2013 6:40:39 PM
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Without some good test equipment all the modelling software in the world is useless if you can't prove your designs.

For free software: An old copy of ansoft serenade RF designer whichwas bundled with a copy of an antenna text book from the ARRL, LTspice and the excellent free antenna modelling program 4NEC2.

 

Hardware: This along with a Bird RF power meter and slugs, na HP465 precision RF power meter/with head and suitable attenuators, an old analog TEX 465 scope, a HP8558 spectrum analyzer, a HP8640 RF generator with built in freq counter and high power option and an MFJ antenna analyzer along with the solder iron mentioned previously by another individual is all I need for anything from HIGH power RF amplifiers, large multi-element external antennas to small etched internal antenna designs.

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How About Circuit Lab?
DrFPGA   8/16/2013 10:41:47 AM
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I have tried Circuit Lab a few times. It is easy to use and for small circuits and since it includes schematic capture it seems just perfect. It runs in your web browser too which is another great feature...

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Re: How About Circuit Lab?
mike.circuitlab   8/16/2013 6:09:12 PM
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Thanks DrFPGA! CircuitLab is now the de-facto circuit simulation software of choice at hundreds of universities around the world, with students and faculty telling us that we are swiftly replacing LTspice, PSpice, and Multisim for the next generation of EEs. We've also have a growing number of professional and hobbyist users on our non-free but affordable subscription plans. All in all, the CircuitLab community runs hundreds of thousands of simulations every month!

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Re: How About Circuit Lab?
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 4:17:00 PM
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But is it free? This article is specifically about free software. 

Balu11
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SaberRD Student Edition
Balu11   8/16/2013 11:17:37 AM
SaberRD Student version is available for free where you can try simulating Mixed Signal Mixed domain circuits.

 

 

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LTSpice
elizabethsimon   8/16/2013 11:47:25 AM
I've used LTSpice almost exclusively for analog simulation for the past several years. Including at work where a lot of us prefer LTSpice to PSpice (to the point where the company has decided to cut down on the number of PSpice seats despite the increase in the number of engineers)

I'm looking forward to learning more about the other simulation software you mentioned.

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iCircuit
Max The Magnificent   8/16/2013 1:23:47 PM
This iPad mixed-signal simulation app is not free, but I think it's pretty cheap like $4.99 -- and it does have a rather unique & intuative way of doing things

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Re: iCircuit
Hughston   8/22/2013 12:23:36 PM
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There is a glaring omission here.  You assume nobody wants to use free software to check their PCB? I check things such as trace impedance, trace differential impedance, trace fusing current, trace dc resistance, resistance increase with temperature, estimate power distribution impedance, via current carrying capacity, via impedance and other things. Analog engineers look at their PCB characteristics too. I use Saturn and Ultracad freeware for this but we have an in house tool for traces impedances.

Is there a freeware equivalent of Hyperlynx, or would that be asking too much?

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Re: iCircuit
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 4:17:56 PM
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Just taking it one category at a time. Can you imagine how huge the list would be if it were free software for all aspects of electronic design?

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Re: iCircuit
Hughston   8/27/2013 4:22:23 PM
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Of course, then we would never pay for the good stuff that works and has lots of features we can never understand because we can't attend the suppliers training program. Mentor does have online training and I have watched the videos over and over. They are still lacking.

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Verilog Simulation
tims   8/16/2013 5:18:57 PM
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The guys over here at project Veripage have a listing of free Verilog simulators.

I've used Icarus along with GTKWaves..

 http://www.project-veripage.com/free.verilog.php

 

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Re: Verilog Simulation
dick_myers   8/19/2013 1:24:32 PM
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I use LTSpice for analog simulation and Icarus Verilog coupled with GTKWave for digital simulation.  GTKWave is a top quality waveform viewer, and can compete in useability and features with the best commercial tools. 

Icarus Verilog is a very complete and stable free Verilog simulator.  It's a bit slow for large projects that require long time simulations, but totally adequate for many projects. 

Another free simulator that I've got a lot of mileage with is the Verilator (Perl program), with turns synthesizeable Verilog into C++.  If you have the need for speed, this tool will outperform the even the most expensive commercial simulator.  Using the C++ model of the digital circuit that is output by the Verilator, you can model the external circuitry in C or C++.  You can even make a DLL out of the model + behavior circuitry and call it with a GUI, scripting language, or whatever. 

"Verilator should run any system with GCC and Perl. It is developed on 64-bit SuSE 9.3 and other users report success on Redhat Linux, HPUX, Solaris, and Windows NT under Cygwin (C++ only, no SystemC), and Microsoft Visual C++" And, I believe, OSX.

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What I use
Clydes_#1   8/17/2013 11:01:54 AM
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I use NGSPICE and Kicad for a schematic front end...

 

Yes, as others have said, the simulator is only as good as the models you have.  Google is your friend.

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Sheetal.Pandey   8/17/2013 2:50:45 PM
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Have used pspice simulation. Its good. Its always good to check simulation results before finalizing the gerber for PCB manufacturing.

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TI's WEBENCH Designer for Circuit Synthesis and Simulation
jeff99999   8/22/2013 1:46:06 PM
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  Have you considered TI's WEBENCH Designer for the analog category?  This is a free on line circuit design tool which includes design synthesis, component selection and Spice simulation.  It also has thermal simulation and the ability to download the design into popular CAD tools.  You can get to it at http://www.ti.com/webench.

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Re: TI's WEBENCH Designer for Circuit Synthesis and Simulation
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 4:15:26 PM
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I was unfamiliar with this one, thanks! We'll add it to the list!

Jerome Gouatarbes
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PowerESim
Jerome Gouatarbes   8/23/2013 12:11:02 PM
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PowerESim is a new CAD tool on the Internet for Switching Power Supplies http://www.poweresim.com/ . I heard about it quite recently but it seems to be an interesting tool. Another interesting EE FEA tool is Quickfield from http://www.ocsimize.com/ because it interfaces with LTSpice so it is quite handy.... Best regards, Jgo

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Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 4:14:53 PM
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Are these all free? Are they limited versions?

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CoolSpice
twerp   8/27/2013 2:16:26 PM
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CoolSpice is a relatively new software package, but I've tried it out and it's great.

Here's a link to the download page: http://coolcadelectronics.com/coolspice/

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Re: CoolSpice
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 2:19:51 PM
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It looks pretty cool but how much does it actually cost? Not the student version. 

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Re: CoolSpice
twerp   8/27/2013 3:28:28 PM
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I'm not sure. I've just been using the student version, and it doesn't look like it's missing any features. I guess you'll have to send them an email to figure out the price.

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