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Charles J Gervasi
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Charles J Gervasi   9/29/2012 10:37:35 PM
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I think this may be a case of poor choice of a word: "ideological". It sounds like what they're talking about is showing people that engineering solves human problems, in other words they're explaining the definition of engineering. That has nothing to do with an ideology. Ideology deals with questions like to what extent property rights should be respected. Engineering is a different discipline from that.

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C VanDorne   10/1/2012 1:40:36 PM
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These are excellent points from one of the venerable amongst us, Torfa. I really appreciate the long-view perspective and agree that the lasting effect of WW2 on our economy can't be understated. And if I may add some levity - you might like this one which came from a good friend and fellow EE while summing up our Cold War success: "Our German scientists were better then their German scientists".

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C VanDorne   10/1/2012 2:23:17 PM
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Charles, you are on to something here but I would say that what is too idealogical is this discussion. Playing the role as this forum's cynic can be tiring but it's appropraite here. All one needs to know about what is going on here is in this sentence: "The program, sponsored by a grant from the U.S. National Science Foundation, is designed to prepare students to solve the Grand Challenges facing society." I would encourage the forum to mull over that specific, telling statement and ask the appropriate questions thereof.

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torfa   10/2/2012 9:37:28 PM
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Maybe the word should be altruistic - devoting oneself to a worthy cause. Maybe there should be an engineering peace corp. But I don't think you are going to get too many people to put up with the rigors of eng school for 4-5 years just to be a nice guy (or gal). Medical Drs go thru quite an lengthy ordeal until they can actually practice, but they know in the long run they will be well rewarded.

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Quickbadger   10/3/2012 4:58:05 PM
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It sounds as though you are presuming what the students' ideology is. None of your ideas sounds appealing to me nor would they to many of the young people I know. Helping people is not a universal ideal. What needs to happen to get more interest in engineering is to remove ideology so the students can follow their own. Also, reform primary education back to the basics (reading, writing, and math). Engineering would be less daunting if the students were better qualified coming out of high school.

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Quickbadger   10/3/2012 5:03:29 PM
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You mean that specific, vague statment. I doubt this forum (or any other) could even agree to what the "Grand Challenges facing society" really are.

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