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Is it fine to use FR-4 material as a substrate at 700MHz frequency?I really ...
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Hi.I have a question.My task is i need to design rectangular microstrip patch ...
What PCB material do I need to use for RF?
Steve Hageman
10/19/2012 10:24 AM EDT
Is plain old FR-4 (also known as "Glass Epoxy") PCB material suitable for use in RF designs[1]? This question comes up time and again. Many say no, fewer say yes - who's right?
As I have published before [2], I have been using FR-4 material for years to build not only protoboards, but wireless radios, RF test fixtures and RF test equipment. This is not to say that FR-4 does not have limitations, but when you understand the limitations you can make better cost/performance tradeoffs for all your designs.
So what are the limitations of FR-4? Er (dielectric constant) stability from lot to lot and over frequency is one of them [4]. Loss is another, then there is the concern of lead-free processing temperatures and perhaps thermal conductivity as even low-power RF can consume a lot of power if the active circuits are biased to provide very high linearity.
Since many FR-4 materials are not not really specified for RF performance the Er can and will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and from lot to lot; sometimes Er is not even specified by some material suppliers! Does this all mean that FR-4 and "Glass Epoxy"-like materials can't be used for RF?
So how does one pick a PCB material? It depends on many factors, some of which are:
- Product Cost
- Circuit design, which drives: required impedance stability
- Signal Loss tolerance
- Operating temperature (Temperature expansion, stability over temperature, etc)
- Heat sinking ability (even low power RF can dissipate a lot of power)
- Soldering / Assembly Temperature (Lead Free)
Some of the above may be applicable to your project and some may not. Then there are the choices of material itself,
- Plain old FR-4, with a higher loss and not tightly controlled Er[2]
- Better specified Er[2] FR-4 derivatives (these may have better loss also)[3]
- Specialized low-loss RF Materials with well specified Er values and much lower loss
It is a simple matter to go through the data sheets and make a spreadsheet that compares these items above one by one for comparison.
This can lead to a bewildering array of options, especially for the person new to RF. I have seen many cases where people new to RF have used expensive exotic materials for even low-frequency non-critical applications simply because someone said that the application was "RF" and they went into "Over-Specify Mode" just to be safe, but is this really needed?
Let's look at some real world applications:
- High Volume / Cost Sensitive
- Cell Phone
- GPS Receiver
- RF Remote Control
- WLAN, Bluetooth, ZigBee et.al. Transceiver
- Low Volume / High Performance
- Test Equipment
- Really high speed – bleeding-edge designs
In the high-volume cases you will be hard pressed to find anyone using really exotic materials in the under 6-GHz world. Take apart all the items that I just mentioned and you will find materials that look just like regular old FR-4. In the low-volume but high-performance category you will find board material that again looks like FR-4 and you will find higher-frequency materials, especially when the operating frequency exceeds 6 GHz.
In the low-volume cases, performance may be paramount and the circuit designs might be more complex. Many of these products do use a tighter specified type of "Glass Epoxy" or exotic RF materials. Mainly for their repeatability and for the trace losses.
How does FR-4 really perform?

In addition to my standard FR-4 prototype boards (Figure 1) I also make quick turn prototypes on Rogers RO4350B material [5] (a low-loss, high-GHz material) so I compared the two for insertion loss (S21). I started with a 2-inch Coplanar Waveguide Over Ground structure and, using the same connectors, I measured trace loss over a 130 to 7000-MHz band. I then scaled the data so that it would be in dB loss per inch. The connector losses were not de-embedded because they represent very little of the loss and both test boards had better than 25-dB return loss so there wasn’t any appreciable mismatch loss to account for (Figure 2).

If you were building a 2.5-GHz Bluetooth module and the RF traces were about an inch long total – would you really care about a 0.3-dB signal loss, especially in light of the fact that the antenna matching circuit will probably exhibit more loss than this? Probably not. Even if you used Rogers RO4350B with its loss at 2.5 GHz of 0.13 dB/inch you would only be saving 0.17 dB.


pcsalex
10/22/2012 2:27 PM EDT
That started so: there was the G10, which was a pcb material produced with relative tight tolerances, also electric tolerances wee trustable. But is was discovered that --horribile dictu et auditu -- G10 is flammable! Therefore came the FR4, which looks like G10, but the similarity ends there. FR4 is not flammable --and that is the only positive, because the rest of its behavior is specified very vaguely -- including the electrical properties e.g dielectric constant.... So it could happen that a high frequency circuit works relative well, but if you get the next shipments of FR4 the picture will change dramatically. One more "positive" of FR4, it is cheap --not inexpensive but cheap-- and you get what you payed for.
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LostInSpace2010
10/31/2012 9:33 PM EDT
Boy we all forgot about G10 so long ago... Fire is an issue and I'm sure many buildings have been saved because of the flammability ratings on Electronic Components. That's a good thing. Of note, I have been building the little test board of Figure 1 (and others like it) for 4 years or so, usually with the same PCB Fabrication vendor, but not calling out any specific PCB Material Vendor - the results have been very, very repeatable, much better than the "Myths" would have you believe.
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ErvinSe
12/6/2012 8:08 AM EST
I’m sure every engineer worth something has let out the smoke out of at least one component. And some of us working in high voltage and semi high power have had the fortune of letting the smoke out of the entire board. While this is a very rare occasion or so I would like you to believe our safety advisor would have a problem with us building pcb’s out of flammable material.
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LostInSpace2010
1/28/2013 7:59 PM EST
Ahhh yes - Nothing lets the smoke out like power circuits! And when this happens, nothing gets everyone's attention like the smell of a melting PCB! :-)
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harry2013
1/29/2013 9:52 AM EST
for High Frequency Roghers Material is better, if need good Rogers 4350 or 4003 PCB I Recommend:
www.pcbsino.com
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SaiKJ
2/14/2013 5:07 AM EST
Is it ok to use FR4 for digital signals like 2.5GHz or 5GHz,where atleast the 5th harmonic is required?
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fafauzanatua
3/10/2013 6:14 AM EDT
Hi.I have a question.My task is i need to design rectangular microstrip patch antenna at low frequency.The frequency that i used is 700MHz.My question is,what are the material that is suitable for low frequency?i appreciate your help
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fafauzanatua
3/10/2013 6:15 AM EDT
Is it fine to use FR-4 material as a substrate at 700MHz frequency?I really appreciate your help.I need to do design for my project
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