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5 Unresolved Issues Facing Robo-cars

Tech is key to 'self-driving' or is it?
4/13/2017 05:45 PM EDT
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EELoser
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Here is an Unresolved Issue......
EELoser   4/24/2017 2:20:04 PM
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They dont work in SNOW!.

They can't see the road markings when covered in snow.  The sensors get covered in Ice. Oh no, road construction, cones, can't deal with hit.  Oh the county didnt stripe the lanes right can't deal with it.  Oh look a pothole, can't detect it, pow.

 

Another Issue is LEGAL.

When it a defective part Kills you will you be able to sue the manufacturer into bankruptcy?  They can't even design an airbag or ignition switch without killing someone.  Think about the complexity of automony  compared to a ignition switch.  Lawyers will love this because the manufacturer is now responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle!

 

forskolinfuel
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Re:Great articlephen375 customer reviewsphenq customer reviewsNice!
forskolinfuel   4/23/2017 7:57:17 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, WayneM! I agree, Derek summed it up well when he said we now need to focus on achieving the best deal we can..

forskolinfuel
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Re:Great articlephen375 customer reviewsphenq customer reviewsNice!
forskolinfuel   4/23/2017 7:52:42 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, WayneM! I agree, Derek summed it up well when he said we now need to focus on achieving the best deal we can..

forskolinfuel
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Re:Great articlephen375 customer reviewsphenq customer reviewsNice!
forskolinfuel   4/23/2017 7:19:30 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, WayneM! I agree, Derek summed it up well when he said we now need to focus on achieving the best deal we can..

forskolinfuel
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Re:Great articlephen375 customer reviewsphenq customer reviewsNice!
forskolinfuel   4/23/2017 7:17:17 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, WayneM! I agree, Derek summed it up well when he said we now need to focus on achieving the best deal we can..

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Book that explores one possible problem with Level 5
manassehkatz   4/22/2017 11:04:19 PM
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I read a book - Version Control by Dexter Palmer - which is about a "causality violation device" (aka Time Machine) which has a central plot point based on an autonomous car accident, including a pretty good (and scary) explanation for why the accident happens. I'll leave the details out as I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't read it yet. If you are into science fiction then I highly recommend it.

sw guy
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No single path solution
sw guy   4/19/2017 7:34:39 AM
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I would not rely only on  deep 'reinforcement learning' to get "well behaving" car.
If deep learning is OK to manage complex situation but cannot guarantee corner cases will be safe, add it a guard using programming by rules. These rules just would say "don't do that".

BTW, this is how we, human, learn to manage every days' tasks. And this how I teached my kids to behave. Even when still babies, there were almost free in house, but when starting something dangerous (for them or for some fragile thing), my wife or myself did prevent that, using both specific voice and removing them from litigeous place. Beside that, it was up to them to find something interesting to do. Looks to have work rather well (younger kid is now 18, and I do not remember them breaking more stuff than myself).

 

 

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Re: Marketing Issues
realjjj   4/17/2017 5:22:29 PM
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CaaS requires a certain level of utilization to be economically viable and in rural it is harder to achieve high utilization.  Car sharing and CaaS with larger vehicles (minibuses and up) can grab considerable share though. In locations where a larger percentage of the population lives in rural, income is usually much lower and such locations are far more cost sensitive. Car sharing , minibuses and used cars are the likely winners - the market for used cars will collapse once CaaS starts to take over in urban. The domino effect on new car sales and ASPs will be quite interesting and something that folks are yet to consider.

However, a dirt road is not really off-road and the robot can learn any such roads. If you consider agricultural robots, maybe off-road capabilities will arrive sooner than expected.

In urban there is no contest , consumers can save a lot of money with CaaS and the CaaS provider can offer different types of vehicles that fit any and all needs. This area offers opportunities for innovation and should be intereasting.

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Handoff to an inattentive human?
Dale LightCounting   4/17/2017 5:04:56 PM
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In America, we already have a driving culture that sees no value in building driver skills. We've added texting to many driver's regular routing, and we are seeing the results in a turnaround of the fatality rate, now going up.

Excepting for a driverless in-city car, autonomous vehicles will have to disengage and hand off the driving to a human and this will happen in the worst situation, perhaps a blinding rain or even a snow storn. So the compter hands off control at the worst possible time to a human with poor skills and who, at best, hasn't been paying attention, may be reading, or is even asleep.  And without the need to actually drive most of the time, that driver's poor skills will deteriorate even further.

In an airliner, the pilots use autopilot most of the time, but they have intense training and are always in a position to take manual control whenever necessary.

 

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DMcCunney   4/17/2017 4:43:02 PM
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@HankWalker: I am thinking of all my friends in farming, ranching, oil and gas, etc., where they spend a lot of time off-road for work. About 15% of the U.S. population is rural, which I will use as a proxy for off-road.

Fair enough.  But how many of them will want a fully autonomous off-road vehicle?

Most off-road vehicles spend most time on a highway getting to where they will go off-road.  Autonomous mode will be appropriate for highway driving, with the human taking over in the off-road portion.

The value for humans in the autonomous vehicle market is "Get in, tell the car where you want to go, and sit back and enjoy the ride."  A potential roadblock is humans who want to drive the car rather than allow the car to do it for them.

A big selling point for fully autonomous cars is potential safety.  How many accidents that have resulted in serious injury or death have been caused by a driver in impaired condition behind a wheel?  Autonomous driving can dramatically reduce that, as the impaired human likely won't be driving.

And when you are off-road, what does "telling the car where you want to go?" mean?  How do you specify the destination?  It's not like a city steet address.

>Dennis

 

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