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3/7/2008 02:00 PM EST
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Sooku
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Sooku   3/24/2008 1:57:08 AM
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A minor detail: engineers have technical skills that terrorists need. Once involved by necessity, engineers are as subject to propaganda and mind games as any social scientist. Oh I almost forgot, engineers are supposed to be automatons devoid of feeling!

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Sooku   3/24/2008 1:51:25 AM
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It's a shame that the study misses the obvious, namely, engineers are problem solvers. We understand the problem and the environment but don't accept it; we design a solution. It is this focus on SOLUTIONS and not frustration due to lack of career opportunities, or a right-wing or conservative or religious mindset, that may draw certain engineers with certain psychoses to a violent self-destructive solution. What's next? Engineers' phones will be bugged, engineers will be harassed by TSA checkers, engineers won't get visas to visit Western countries, kids won't want to be engineers, what? Will all future engineers become political scientists?

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5liter   3/20/2008 6:55:07 PM
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I've read the Oxford paper in it's entirety, and the only real conclusion you can come away from it with, is that for a given set of individuals on a mission to destroy something, the subset of those most likely to succeed (or even try), would be those with science or engineering degrees. This is no more remarkable than the conclusion that for any group individuals that are compelled to do something constructive, those most likely to succeed would also have applied science or engineering degrees. The authors? logic would lead you to believe that of those individuals most likely to fly a plane into a building, pilots should be suspect. There is one practical conclusion you could draw from this paper, and that would be in profiling; while scrutinizing Islamic fundamentalists for potential terror suspects, extra attention should be given to those with engineering or science degrees, as they would be most likely to execute a competent plan.

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rossb   3/15/2008 6:08:34 PM
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Because this is a war against intelligence and reason, between those who would prey and those who would build. The predators know full well that discrediting reason and those who live by it is their only hope. The second renaissence is coming, but this time, we will insure that those who manage the "system" are tightly controlled so they can no longer claim it is "necessary" that they be master and we be slaves, pointing our own guns at us. My comments were not meant as a slight to any race, sex, religion or nationality. Any such statement is a gross generalization, there are bad apples in any group classification that can be envisioned. Suffice to say, I am just pointing out that objective people are "on the list", and, given present trends, it is only a matter of time before sides must be chosen. This topic is far from useless, it forces objective people such as engineers to consider exactly how much science is in "Social Science" Bill

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ninjalal   3/14/2008 6:40:49 PM
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What a waste of resources on a useless topic!!! The only motivation behind such load of rubbish seems to be the mere fact that it would sell well (to whoever funded the "project", and to some scared readers). And I can?t believe that it is on magazine cover too. The initiators of this "study" would be better off focusing on some real issues than just complying to the rule "publish or perish". BTW, when I mentioned resources at the beginning, I simply meant "money" .... the quality of this production strongly reflects poor mental efforts. Try harder next time. Also, why doesn?t Oxford sociology department do a study on how many muslims contributed and are still contributing to science and technology.

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rossb   3/12/2008 2:07:26 PM
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It is beyond dispute that engineers are high contributers to our civilization. This is for the simple reason that we have knowledge, which I define as: "knowing the immutable relationship between action and consequence in a defined environment, with no exceptions". Or, the laws of nature do not lie and therefore can be used as a standard of TRUTH. Unfortunately, we (engineers and other objective persons) are stuck with having to submit to ignorance, political, management, ecoonomic and social, in what appears to be an accelerating dark age. So, what happens to builders of civilization, when confronted with destroyers of civilization? What happens when the destroyers are so arrogant that they believe they can define reality? I, for one believe that it is our moral duty as engineers to try to influence a civilization which appears to be bent on self-destruction, ironically, using the power, tools and technology we have ourselves provided to fools. Now, to the "Terrorist Engineers". It is just a choice of methodology. These poor souls have been driven over the edge and concluded that fact and reason is pointless in dealing with their oppressors. They have chosen plan "B". There is a way out, but, reason is required and appears to be lacking. http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/article/view.article.php/c1/34 Bill Ross, Ottawa, Canada

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