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Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?

Is IBM handing over technology to China?
10/19/2009 03:00 PM EDT
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microe   10/22/2009 6:19:16 PM
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Wall Street has so many greedy bankers does not justify that a negative picture should be used whenever reporting US economy. For the same reason, some IP violation cases does not justify that a negative picture should be used whenever reporting China, especially considering the tremendous efforts China has been making on IP protection. (An interesting comparison will be to see if Wall Street will take any lesson from the crisis they created) Hope we will not see this biased picture again. EEtimes is an excellent technical newspaper. Bias should not have any place here. P.S. There are plenty of China bashers in Washington does not mean bashing China is the right thing. Very likely the same politicians approved the Iraqi war. Cold war is history. We need cooperation not confrontation.

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mark.lapedus   10/22/2009 5:01:08 PM
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Hi out there! Thanks for the feedback. To set the record straight, I am NOT a China basher. There's plenty of those in Washington. I'm just merely stating the facts. Some of the articles I presented are old. Some are recent. I could come up with more--if you wish. FYI. I'm glad CSMC and SMIC followed the rule of law in China. Just wondering if the U.S. is giving away the jewels?

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Semiconductor Design Engineer   10/22/2009 4:38:35 PM
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Bashing? Well, I just did a google search limiting results to those of only published works this year, and it seems to still paint a fairly damning picture if IP theft in China when I look at unique occurrences of reports from respected sources. Certainly more negative then positive (you refer too two recent items). While as you show things are improving it looks like there's still a ways to go.

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JamieYang   10/22/2009 9:38:36 AM
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1. TSMC & SMIC are all chinese FAB. There are many lawsuit case between American company.Must more than 9 case each year. How do you explain? 2. CSMC pay money to IBM to get the 018RF technology, not free. 3. Sometimes,lawsuit is just a bussiness method.Such as the case between Sigmatel VS. ACTS(Actions semiconductor,a chinese fabless design house) There maybe have some infringement case, but it's not all for China. We should be case by case.

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aquitaine   10/22/2009 9:33:42 AM
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@Mark: Your evidence is based on articles, most of which seem to be 2+ years old. It is true that piracy is a problem in China, but it is one on the way out and quite frankly is way overstated. As China's consumers get richer, they buy real stuff. http://www.chinalawblog.com/2009/10/piracy_in_china_taint_no_big_t.html As long as you can clearly document that the technology is yours, you can successfully go to court in China. As per the following: http://www.chinalawblog.com/2009/09/protecting_your_ip_in_china_th.html Enough with the China bashing. Believe it or not, when the US was developing it was a major IP violator, so was Japan in the 50's and 60's, and until relatively recently so was South Korea. Eventually it will go away, but it takes time and economic development.

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mark.lapedus   10/22/2009 3:29:02 AM
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In my opinion, here's why this article--and debate--is important: China has shown little or no respect for IP. Want some evidence? There is a pattern here. Here's a tip of the iceberg: 1. Trial to begin in economic espionage case involving China That story can be read here. 2. Beijing Auto says watching ex-Ford engineer theft case That story can be read here. 3.TSMC vs. SMIC Trade Secrets Trial Heats Up That story can be read here. 4. The U.S. Department of Justice announced the arrests of four individuals on Monday and accused them of stealing military and aerospace secrets and sending them to China. That story can be read here. 5. IC-equipment and materials suppliers face mounting challenges in intellectual property (IP) protection, warned a new study published by SEMI. That story can be read here. 6. In its 2007 Report to Congress, the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission (USCC) calls Chinese espionage the top threat to U.S. technology. That story can be read here. 7. Two men were indicted on charges of conspiracy to commit economic espionage and to steal trade secrets at NetLogic Microsystems Inc. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd., according to officials. That story can be read here. 8. In a suit filed with the California Superior Court in Alameda County, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is again going after Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp., alleging that the Chinese foundry is still using stolen trade secrets as the key ingredient in its process recipes. That story can be read here. 9. Intellectual-property theft in China isn't going away anytime soon. That story can be read here.

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Semiconductor Design Engineer   10/22/2009 12:13:06 AM
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Yea, I know, we have problems here too, corrupt or inept financial institutions (i.e., Wall Street), war in Iraq, etc.

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Semiconductor Design Engineer   10/22/2009 12:08:47 AM
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Hummm, I wonder too, perhaps it because of things like Tiananmen Square massacre, protests by ethnic Uygurs, Tibetan sovereignty, Communist government, ...? Naaa, must be something else (perhaps bad Chinese take out food experience?)

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microe   10/21/2009 5:25:13 PM
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I have seen editors of EEtimes used this dark, negative-colored picture often when they reported stories about China. I wonder what they are trying to indicate by using such a negative picture.

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jackOfManyTrades   10/21/2009 7:13:39 AM
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Bryan 93 ? - "Nothing like generalizing the knowledge of a population of 300 million from a few articles in a generally liberal magazine". A fair point. I guess I am generalising from many articles in this magazine and the vast majority of comments posted underneath them.

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