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11/20/2009 02:00 PM EST
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GeniusEE
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GeniusEE   11/20/2009 10:03:23 PM
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Hey China/India - if you don't keep your wages down, we'll outsource your jobs to Vietnam and Nigeria, where engineers are willing to work for $8k~$10k a year and will be the equivalent of millionaires in their society, where the average wage is $1200 per YEAR. What goes around, comes around. It's your turn, after a decade of wealth, to get yourselves unemployed via outsourcing and live "the good life" (on credit cards) we American unemployed engineers now enjoy.

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J.OZI   11/20/2009 10:05:54 PM
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That what matter and is differentiating - it is the relative cost of living in each location. Salary without consideration the living cost, social, retirement and medical benefits does reflect accurate picture. Living cost is driving force and market price for both sides engineers and companies, either in western or eastern locations. Double-increase in salary in eastern location will not increase work productivity twice, on the other side it will make at least 5-times increase in living cost coefficient.

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J.OZI   11/20/2009 10:07:08 PM
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please correct: Salary without consideration the living cost, social, retirement and medical benefits DOES NOT reflect accurate picture.

J.OZI
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J.OZI   11/20/2009 10:08:38 PM
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I mean well comfortable living cost coefficient.

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AP81   11/21/2009 1:12:46 AM
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I have worked in East for about 5 years before i moved to west. I OPENLY confess that engineers in East want to become manager as soon as they get into Job, i dont know why.. i was also like that..before i came to NA. I think its unfair to compare West vs East salary.. really there is no comparison... Only 10% of East engineers will be as good as NA engineer. Rest of them,,i believe are liability to organizations.... thats my personal opinion.... so please excuse me if i sound too harsh... I also feel that... i have become more efficient over here... my output is twice in the same ammount of time that i put into work... In the last ,, salary comparison between East and West is rubbish

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TarunGoel   11/21/2009 1:41:47 AM
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As long as population in China, India keep increasing, and people are ready to work for any money in a country where average per capita income is less than $4000, there won't be any crease in wages in these poor countries. However at the same time, as the market is in West, consumer there are ready to pay much more for the technology (As opposed to East consumers) it makes sense for the companies to employee the people who understand the market, and thus pay them higher for the new technology/innovation. Once a innovation becomes commodity the work would surely be transferred to the East to keep the cost low. and the increasing population in these countries will further drive the cost low.! The real comparison should be done with respect to the Economy of the country or PER Capita Income. China and India have combined 40% of world population with less than 5% of consumer willing to pay for the expensive technology.

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Satishkumar   11/21/2009 4:43:05 AM
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In this article we are comparing apples to oranges. Before starting on salary consideration we need to see the cultural barrier, cost of living, social attachment, efficiency of work, taking responsibility, number of hours put for work. I know that India is a hub for outsourcing, but the people are so hard working. People sacrifice their family time for work. I agree that amount paid is less in $ but it is very very good salary in local currency. It is same as engineers earning more in LA and NY, where as when same engineer moves to TX, CO the salary will be down by 20%-30%.

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mopsley   11/21/2009 10:51:32 AM
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Perhaps I am one of the few engineers who have also an interest in history. The Roman empire has risen because of the might , discipline and profesionalism of the Roman military. One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman empire was the fact , that at the end most of the Roman army, was composed of foreign mercenaries. Originaly the West has prospered because of its technological cutting edge and superiority in R&D and industrial production over the rest of the world. Today, many projects are outsourced to the East. Technological universities of the East will surpass the universities of the West. Finally western hitech company (those who are outsourcing today) will not be needed any more by the East, because the technological superiority will be there.

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jayshukl1121   11/21/2009 1:23:26 PM
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I think if we find a way to bridge the gap, push eastern engineers upward, and in general show eastern engineers not to let the bean counters under value them, this rift will be beneficial to all of us. I am just a new guy here so I am not trying to sell anything but I am starting a blog on this topic and would love input from anyone willing to share: http://becausemyfriendhasone.blogspot.com/ As you can see it's clearly a work in progress. Feel free to email me with suggestions at iloveriyasen1234@yahoo.com. Hope to hear from some thoughtful engineers. ps. I am not trying to sell anything I really want to just get more opinions from engineers world wide and start a conversation.

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schuncher   11/21/2009 4:09:34 PM
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GeniusEE: Hey China/India - if you don't keep your wages down, we'll outsource your jobs to Vietnam and Nigeria No Vietnam or Nigeria can come close to competing as long as the Chinese can peg the exchange of their currency ridiculously low even after holding onto a trillion dollars of reserves, courtesy Walmart. It is a fact that other third world countries are also complaining about China's beggar-thy-neighbor policy.

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