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11/30/2009 05:00 AM EST
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aquitaine
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aquitaine   12/9/2009 12:51:02 PM
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I do agree that too few people were surveyed to really make this poll meaningful, not just in China. On the other hand a friend of mine works at a bank and has many engineers coming in daily to get money for nanotech R&D, plus there is a lot of development going on in solar energy in the tianjin binhai new area ([url=http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2009/02/tech_on_a_giant_scale.html] source[/url]) And on a note related to the education system in China, recently the Minister of Education was fired because those noted problems, which everyone has known about for a long time, have not been solved. Hopefully his replacement will do a better job.

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mmmmh   12/8/2009 11:02:26 AM
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To t5grrr Acknowledge your grounds regarding the survey results and Chinese business world, I would like to advice you to enhance your understand to this country and its history. The education system does overstress on memorization and belittle creativity. However, that is not the fault on the human, in another word, chinese people. That is mainly attributed to its politic system, do it sound fair? On the other hand it might have one of the best education in mathematics compared with others. Let's have a look on the rank table, there are 562 chinese engineers involed in the survey. Why does the total number of selection is less than 300? Within the 300 out of 562 votes, only a few 'chinese engineers' select nanotech, solarcell, photovoltac, alterative energy, etc. It is unfair to blaim it on those poor engineer. Just remind the editor / writor that those high tech website are usually forbidden in the mainland china. My advice is to change the point of this article and encourage the chinese government to improve their education system and ensure the freedom of information!!!!

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mmmmh   12/8/2009 11:01:33 AM
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To t5grrr Acknowledge your grounds regarding the survey results and Chinese business world, I would like to advice you to enhance your understand to this country and its history. The education system does overstress on memorization and belittle creativity. However, that is not the fault on the human, in another word, chinese people. That is mainly attributed to its politic system, do it sound fair? On the other hand it might have one of the best education in mathematics compared with others. Let's have a look on the rank table, there are 562 chinese engineers involed in the survey. Why does the total number of selection is less than 300? Within the 300 out of 562 votes, only a few 'chinese engineers' select nanotech, solarcell, photovoltac, alterative energy, etc. It is unfair to blaim it on those poor engineer. Just remind the editor / writor that those high tech website are usually forbidden in the mainland china. My advice is to change the point of this article and encourage the chinese government to improve their education system and ensure the freedom of information!!!!

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zhgreader   12/3/2009 4:01:13 AM
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you are really biase, I can guess you are not an engineer, just like someine like hr etc. office staff. I have a salary only 2usd/day. and I can challenge with your engineers you think they are excellent. I'm not familiar with nanotech, but I see this document many years ago. I can make a control system, but I can't solve an elelctromagnetci field equation. I can swim but I can't solve fluidic equation. I know a litle air dynastics knowledge, but I cn't drive a plane. one has many limit, not versitle. If I ask you how to plant a sweetpotato, you must dont know. but biology tech is also top tech at present.

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zhgreader   12/3/2009 3:49:22 AM
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So side are your point of view. Once you exam Chinese practice you may have another feeling. I strongly doubt the few Chihnese engineer can read diagram. You much be brag or humiliate Chinese engineers. Draw a blueprint or a scheme is a basic knowledge for an engineer who will work in their carrer. Some student pay schoool for a scroe is a fact, but not all. What is engineer? what different from scienist? if you don't remember formula, concept and parttern and circuit routines or mnay regulation and law, how do you work in practice? A concrete sample, if you don't know how to calculate basic equation, how do you design a control system. how do you know your powers upple you designed is good and reliable? how do you know the amplifier is a good quality before assemble? as well as cctv etc.?

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zhgreader   12/3/2009 3:31:57 AM
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Different district has different conceopt, this survey can't be believed. China dedicate new tech and new green energy forever. But we are not too rich to develope fast. My salary is 2usd per day, so if you consider this fact, the survey will be revised. -- Cheers from mainland.

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t5grrr   12/3/2009 3:08:45 AM
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There are some explanations for these results and they apply to the Chinese business world, attitudes, and Chinese way of thinking. 1. The Chinese business and people in general will usually make a business decision based on "how much can I make quickly" They will never consider long term consequences of a short term profit and so have little regard for future possibilities of new technologies. 2. With the above in mind the Chinese will always follow what is popular and can make them a quick buck so unproven technologies are of little interest. 3. Chinese education stresses memorization and belittles creativity so new technologies are not interesting because they have been taught to ignore them and instead remember the formulas for the next exam. 4. Most Chinese engineers have very little education, they actually pass exams by memorizing the questions, having someone else take the exam for them, or pay the school to get a good score. 5. I have interviewed very few Chinese engineers who actually knew anything about the degree they held. I have found less than 10% of interviewed engineers could even read a diagram. This is not a bias, this is a simple fact. 6. They don't think much of the new technologies because they simply do not understand them, they don't have the education required.

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GeniusEE   12/3/2009 12:15:13 AM
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Classical tactical vs strategic thinking. Unfortunately the strategic part of the survey will be completely wrong about which are important because they have not shifted their paradigms from two years ago Be a mammal, compatriots, for the environment has changed and you'll go extinct if you don't see that.

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