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10/19/2010 08:15 PM EDT
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Bob Lacovara
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Bob Lacovara   10/28/2010 12:22:22 PM
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will99878898, I should have said this, so let me say it now. The rare earths belong to China, therefore, if they don't want to sell them, that is their right. Perhaps the reason is to make it harder for the US or Japan or anyone else to use the materials in weapons to be used against China, but it doesn't matter. The rare earth material is China's, therefore, they decide what happens to it. By the way, I doubt that China is worried about an attack from the US... I cannot think of anything less likely.

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will99878898   10/28/2010 10:56:51 AM
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Bob, China get good national security reasons to forbid export of Rare Earth as well. It's been used in ICBMs, bombs etc. China don't want to see a japan/us bomb with chinese rare earth in it while they are treating china as an enemy. understand?

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Bob Lacovara   10/27/2010 1:15:11 PM
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The first statement made by "World-citizen" (where does this person actually live, I wonder?) may or may not be true, but sheds no light on the discussion. His following paragraph is disingenuous. Why should the US not restrict export of selected technologies on the basis of national security? Is this not a sensible action? Otherwise, we might as well sell engineering documents on ICBMs to say, North Korea and Iraq, paragons of human rights. That would be a poor idea, to my mind. Further: "Who has ever complained, for example, about bailout money to 'save jobs'?" Well, many of us have complained bitterly about bailing out GM, and similar government handouts to incompetent companies. You will see evidence of this in about a week or so. Lastly, Mr. World Citizen, can you name three countries that the US has invaded and occupied in order to control their resources? I doubt it: I can't wait to hear who these poor countries are. Lastly, the US hardly invented dirty tricks that the poor naive Chinese mistakenly adopted: the Chinese were up to the dirty tricks of an empire before Columbus arrived in North America.

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world_citizen   10/27/2010 10:23:11 AM
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This article is a classic example of sour grapes by someone who is being beaten at their own game. The US forbids the export of many technologies because of "national security interest" - especially in the IT/comm space. How easily people are willing to protect and accept their own dubious practices as long as they provide benefits! For example, who ever complained about the common practice of patent trolling to throttle potential competitors? Or corporate bosses crying to Uncle Sam for preferential treatment in the name of "free trade" and bailout money to "save jobs". Or for that matter, invading and occupying foreign nations to gain control of their resources? To attack China for excelling at the game which the US originally invented is pure hypocrisy.

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Silicon_Smith   10/27/2010 5:19:25 AM
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"..what you have is a portrait of a rogue economic superpower.." I think this is an exaggerated fear and to be frank, the world trade environment has always allowed nations to get away with what they could. When it comes to business and money, there have been no saints. Not even US and european nations!

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will99878898   10/27/2010 2:22:54 AM
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pay attention to the 'we' term used here. She is trying to put someone in a league and china in another one. This is not cold war , lady. or 2nd world war, in which your mothercountry is human races common enemy. China is not trying to make enemy with the rest of world in my opinion, what they want to get rich and equal with the rest, in a peaceful, gradual way. China don't need the dog eat dog democracy right now, it will just cause chaos at this stage. there could be some misunderstanding, but that's it. some chinese has a long historical hatred toward japan ppl, which I think unnessary as well. but you lady are a 'bad' example here as well.

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will99878898   10/27/2010 2:15:06 AM
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Japan/US etc. have long been refusing to sell all kinds of stuffs to China, tech, IP ... for simple reason to keep the imbalance ongoing. China get bunch of such kind of 3step plans to depend less on ...s. what a air headed article.

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Etmax   10/27/2010 12:21:09 AM
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This is the sad thing as it allows countries to strangle competitors. I think tariffs based on humane and political behaviour should be allowed as well as based on comparative wages. That would balance things and reduce this massive waste of resources shipping things around the globe.

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will99878898   10/27/2010 12:15:51 AM
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(quote from another thread) 10/26/2010 2:49 PM EDT Japan's dream to dominate the electric car business might be finished if nobody sells them the material. Can US car makers capitalize on this opening? You can't make people sell things they don't want to sell, unless you send in the Japanese Imperial Army. The Chinese remember that very well. Sign in to Reply paul.delamusica 10/26/2010 3:04 PM EDT Yeah, last time when FDR refused to sell them the scrap iron, they retaliated by bombing the Pearl Harber. Wonder what their response would be this time.

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Etmax   10/27/2010 12:12:56 AM
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I think an equally flawed thought. I believe that the best engineering comes out of the freest thinking. The more a country frees it's people's thinking more novel engineering will come out of it. That is why Japan for a long time was a follower, and why China is a follower today. Good innovative engineering is being able to think outside the box. Japan is moving in this direction but has a way to travel. China is a long way off I think.

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