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Analyst: Intel preparing 450-mm push

10/25/2010 07:16 PM EDT
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goafrit   10/25/2010 7:35:44 PM
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It is a bold initiative for Intel to invest in America. That is how the future of the nation will be secured. It is necessary and should be commended by all. One hopes they have the right roadmap for the litho business.

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mark.lapedus   10/25/2010 8:16:52 PM
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Does 450-mm make any sense or not?

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USInnovate   10/26/2010 4:43:42 PM
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Long term 450 mm makes sense but only for a limited set of semiconductor products with the volumes to achieve the cost benefits. The key question regarding 450 mm is how to get it done. Is there a smarter way (than 300 mm project) to fund and develop the technology?

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Baolt   10/26/2010 9:34:46 PM
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Let me revise your question like that, Did 200mm or 150mm make any sense? Answer is clear, yes they did, changed the global semiconductor market. Made more chips with less costs. Yeah its true 450mm is kind of premature, needs lots of attention and spendings however bigger is the better. More space to produce less worry about yields. ASML and Nikon has good projects for future of 450mm. i hope it will be accepted by all semi fellows rapidly.

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Rodneyluo8   10/28/2010 1:55:56 PM
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i hope too!

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mcgrathdylan   10/25/2010 11:51:51 PM
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With Intel pushing 450-mm the way they are, it seems like a no brainer that this facility will be built to accommodate 450-mm. Considering how soon Intel would like 450-mm to be ready, it would seem short sighted not the build the development fab to accommodate it. Of course 450 won't be ready when Intel wants it. But Intel needs to walk the walk. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make some public statements about this facility being 450-ready as a way to draw a line in the sand, so to speak. I was actually kind of surprised that they didn't state this in the announcement.

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RobDinsmore   10/26/2010 3:34:23 AM
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Intel does not fully invest in America. None of it's Etch tools come from the US. This is in spite of the fact that LAM, based 5 miles or so from Intel's HQ is the market leader in Etch. It's really kind of sad for them because they miss out on the great collaborative nature that Intel's think films groups have with the US based tool manufacturers. To truly invest in America, Intel needs to invest in it's American partnerships and that means seriously considering dumping some money on American made and supported Etch tools. It will create more jobs in the US than just building another high tech sweat shop for Ph.D.s.

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Me2   10/26/2010 7:56:14 PM
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Well, Intel is an international business and business do make decisions based on what makes sense for the stock holders and not purley on the political climate in one region of it's business. Aguing that Intel should do what's right for the US because the headquarters is in the US is like asking Google to pay their fair share of taxes. Think that's going to happen?

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dnenni   10/26/2010 3:55:33 AM
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450mm Semiconductor Manufacturing is an interesting debate: http://wp.me/psH60-1x5 My guess is that we will see 450mm by the end of the end of the decade.

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resistion   10/26/2010 6:09:21 AM
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Intel's 22 nm chips are coming out next year. It is almost certainly too late to do anything about 15 nm now. In two-three years, 11 nm node process needs to be frozen by Intel. I don't think any wafer size change or EUV lithography will happen during that time. It is just too soon. They would rather focus on changing the transistor from planar to 3D.

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wilber_xbox   10/26/2010 7:40:47 PM
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I think that 15nm and 11nm will be quite interesting nodes as the cost will certainly be an issue with double patterning or even quadrapatterning. I do not see any other technology replacing conventional lithography in 4/5 yrs.

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Ineedyourhelp   10/26/2010 6:27:12 PM
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Like Reagan's Star Wars program, Intel could be feigning the 450mm to suck Samsung into an over-spending trap. Protectionist Samsung would try to do the 450mm utilizing their Korean supply chain. It would fail, sapping Samsung's R&D resources.

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wilber_xbox   10/26/2010 7:44:07 PM
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The cost of 450mm wafer fab is certainly an issue but as the cost at 15nm or 11nm node will be an huge issue in itself then it makes more sense to cancel the high cost of the nodes with going for larger wafer. I expect that most of the foundries will not be able to bear the huge initial investment of 450mm fab so there will be partnerships and collaborations.

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mark.lapedus   10/27/2010 12:14:08 AM
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450-mm is a bad idea right now. Everyone knows it, including Intel. But the goal is to bury AMD. Can Intel do it?

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Rodneyluo8   10/28/2010 1:53:44 PM
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what do intel want ?

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docdivakar   11/2/2010 6:26:58 AM
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@dnenni: Daniel, you may be right on this one, it may be another 5 years before we see production volume in 450mm wafers. It is more of a scenario where Intel may have a design that can exploit 450mm and they will fit the process to that design, it is not the other way around. If leading IDM's take this approach, the 450nm will remain accessible to a select few. One often disregards the supporting cast of the ecosystem when it comes to 450mm wafer discussion; for example, the test solution providers for wafer probing; it was hard enough to get the 300mm wafer probing solution developed for Intel's flash memory products that some businesses went belly up doing just that. Few remain operating by a threadbare margin. My point is that the discussion of migrating to 450mmm wafer needs to be put in a holistic perspective, especially when Intel is so selective in where it wants to participate in that ecosystem. Dr. MP Divakar

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