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11/1/2010 01:58 AM EDT
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TingLu   11/1/2010 5:00:24 AM
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It sounds to me that Intel is getting back to FPGA business. If everything goes well, Intel will likely buy Achronix out.

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eewiz   11/1/2010 5:39:20 AM
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Woa! Big Blow to Xilinx and Altera. The only reason I could see for Intel to do this is an Acquisition. As TingLu pointed out, Intel would have already reached an agreement with Achronix that they would buyout the FPGA startup later on. But then the question is why would Intel want to get into FPGA business!! Already they have many things to figure out with McAfee and Infineon WLS acquisition.

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resistion   11/1/2010 3:38:49 PM
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Yeah I think going foundry was inevitable path for Intel, as it sees its bread and butter PC business model overwhelmed by apple-driven smartphone business model. Samsung also found it inevitable to relieve itself from the virtually suicidal memory market death spiral.

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mcgrathdylan   11/1/2010 4:00:43 PM
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Great comments guys, thanks. I can't figure this one out myself. You have raised some issues I considered, but I have questions about both. @eewiz- If Intel's motivation here is to be back in the FPGA business, why do a strategic agreement and not just an acquisition? My first thought was that this was the first step toward an acquisition, but then I wondered, why not just pull the trigger? As Achronix CEO John Lofton Holt pointed out, if Intel wanted to be in the FPGA business, they would be. They would buy Achronix and/or another FPGA startup with (what is for Intel) loose change. So if that's the goal, why wouldn't they just do it? @resistion- In my opinion, this is more about the strategic importance of programmable logic than it is about Intel going into the foundry business. I think if Intel wanted to go into the foundry business, the company would make a big PR push and announce a division called Intel Foundry Services or something like that. If this was just about Intel generating some extra revenue through foundry work, I just don't think they would start with Achronix, which is, for all of its promising technology, a pretty small player. If Intel wanted to go foundry, there are dozens of other chip companies they could have started with that would generate more revenue. (For that matter, why not start with Xilinx or Altera?) My bet is this (my colleague Brian Fuller first suggested this to me and I think he is right): This is the first step to an eventual offering that pairs programmable logic with an Atom core in the mold of Actel's SmartFusion and the forthcoming Xilinx chips, both of which offer programmable logic and a hard ARM core.

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resistion   11/1/2010 5:10:20 PM
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Indeed, Intel is testing waters in both aspects, FPGA and foundry service provider. It could have worked with Achronix from a distance, letting them use TSMC as foundry, or completely acquired Achronix, as mentioned well.

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mcgrathdylan   11/1/2010 6:15:40 PM
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More info on this: Earlier today I was told that Achronix laid off most of its sales force about a month ago. I spoke to Achronix about this and John Lofton Holt was very clear that Intel is a manufacturing partner only and will not be doing any sales or marketing of Achronix products as a condition of this agreement. Holt also said that within the past 45 days Achronix did lay off several sales people. The reason Holt gave is that the company had been preparing to start selling 28-nm parts in the near future (and was staffing up for it). But when the Intel deal came through, Achronix scrapped 28-nm altogether and instead is preparing to be selling 22-nm parts in about a year. Essentially, they don't need all of those sales people right now because they won't have their new products in the original timeframe. Makes sense to me.

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jg_   11/2/2010 10:12:24 AM
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Some brave calls there. Why defer income ? Unless they have a very large customer who must have 22nm. A customer with enough clout, to 'encourage' intel.

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SZA   11/1/2010 6:17:17 PM
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Indeed Industry is finding growing co-importance of Processors and FPGAs for future. And both FPGA vendors and Processor vendors are getting in to it. FPGAs jumped before with hard ARM and now Intel is investigating other way around (perhaps soon we see some stuff from AMD too in that direction). I agree with you Dylan and resistion. Intel is testing different ideas. Few weeks back we saw the Stellarton SIP with Altera, now a more direct sign with Achronix.

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shirazkaleel   11/1/2010 7:37:47 PM
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I don't think it is just about FPGAs. Achronix has important asynchronous logic IP that Intel could use in its chips so it could go clockless and thereby improve performance, but they'd have to learn about it and play with it. This would give them an opportunity to do so and overcome the "not invented here" syndrome that may exist amongst its own designers. Designers have shied away from using Asynchronous Logic even though the theory and methodology have been available now for some time; but Achronix has provided a trojan horse by which designers can be tempted to use the technology, the improved throughput being a big incentive.

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gutieaphd   11/1/2010 7:56:42 PM
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I see a clear move towards Foundry Services. The China Fab was the first move in that direction. This announcement is the second. I guess Globalfoundries will encounter even more headwinds and TSMC beginning to see the ascend of a real competitor. Great move!

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FPGA_BRAD   11/1/2010 7:57:10 PM
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This is interesting since at IDF they announced a deal with Altera to put an Atom and FPGA in the same package. "The PC giant also announced Stellarton, a system-in-package that pairs an Altera FPGA with an Atom to enable reconfigurable systems."

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fundamentals   11/1/2010 9:16:08 PM
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I think Intel missed a much bigger prize by only a month. They should have bought Actel instead, if their interest in FPGAs is genuine and long term. MicroSemi beat intel to it and scooped up Actel, quite cheaply I might add. No, MicroSemi does not compete with Intel, but this took Actel out of the market as a potential partner. So, Intel had to settle for a start-up, albeit a promising one.

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M.O.E.   11/1/2010 10:52:16 PM
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a couple fine points: Intel did have an ASIC operation built around the 8051 and the 82xx perphieral series back in the 80's. Intel has also done silicon manufacturing for several companies in the past...just not well advertised:)

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_hm   11/1/2010 11:00:44 PM
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It will be very nice to have multiple Intel hard wired processor cores inside Achronix FPGA. Achronix and Intel will be able to provide Soc solution to mass consumer and industrial market. Desinger in embedded systems design will have significant advantage with this development. We eagerly await how soon they pur these new parts in market Will Apple employ these new designs in their novel products?

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paul.delamusica   11/1/2010 11:25:16 PM
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Maybe it is just a capacity filler that Intel can turn on and off asynchronously.

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goafrit   11/1/2010 11:53:37 PM
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Intel is after Achronix not because of their asynchronous based FPGA, but future development on their product offerings. Intel will buy them to remain competitive because the product driven by asynchronous sequence is delay insensitive and will surely be the right roadmap to keep Moore's law going. This is Intel holding their future.

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fatbrain_   11/2/2010 1:41:59 AM
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Intel could be after Achronix IP for an Intel asynchronous processor, the only way to beat ARM?

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AliNS   11/2/2010 4:29:31 AM
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Intel couldn't care less about the capacity Achronix might "potentially" bring to the party if it ever does. As a matter of fact Intel probably couldn't care less about the capacity an Altera or Xilinx would be able to drive either. Also, if Intel wanted to get into the FPGA business it could easily buy Altera or Xilinx outright. There has to be something else. The processes Intel develops aren't really optimized for general purpose logic nor FPGAs that require as many metal layers as possible for density optimization. The only angle there may be is for max performance with min power. Yet, it is not clear that Achronix really demonstrated any meaningful performance while minimizing power...to be followed.

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jg_   11/2/2010 10:06:07 AM
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This little detail, may be important : ["Because of Intel's considerable U.S. manufacturing presence, Speedster22i will be the only commercial FPGA family manufactured in the U.S., Achronix said."]

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Doug the FPGA guy   11/2/2010 10:42:22 AM
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I am cursed with a long memory. I recall that Intel was the main fab for Altera in the early days (mid-80s) and even had second source rights and competed with Altera for EPLD business. In the mid-90s they SOLD their PLD biz and own R&D (some of it very good too) to Altera. Maybe others in Intel are also cursed with long memories and miss the old days; it could be just a hobby. Does such a small announcment have to fit into a strategy?

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TingLu   11/2/2010 3:11:00 PM
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I will agree what dylan.mcgrath. There is really no point for Intel to get back to FPGA business to compete with Altera and Xilinx. I doubt it will be a winning battle for Intel even it has stack of cash in hand. Intel just had no good tracking record to win business from a mature market not related to CPU business. Their CPU centric view limits their vision and development strategy. Plus, it is not much of silicon anymore in FPGA business. Software becomes so important in this business. It will takes Intel years to catch up. I doubt Intel will go that route. What my guess is that Intel is eventually going to either license this IP or buy Achronix out. At Achronix size, buyout might be a good choice. They will NOT roll out FPGA. But Intel will add FPGA as co-processor next to its x86 processor to improve its programmability and power. To make support simple, Intel might provide tailor different sets of FPGA program to different markets so end user doesn't have to worry about FPGA at all. This will help Intel target multiple markets with single tape out and not worry about all FPGA tool supports. Xilinx and Altera licensed ARM CPU to put next to their own FPGA. Intel is just starting opposite direction but end products will be similar.

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_hm   11/8/2010 2:29:42 AM
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May be Intel is enticing Apple Inc to come back to them for their future need for manufacturing. Apple designs and Intel foundry may be very good synergy.

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dnenni   11/8/2010 5:23:33 AM
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Out of the five possibles reasons for Intel opening up their 22nm fab I pick #6: http://wp.me/psH60-25o D.A.N.

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TJones   11/8/2010 2:25:02 PM
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Of all the conjectures, like DAN's best, but haven't seen anyone mention Intel's new direction into....security. Intel is crazy like a fox, here. Intel stands to make $$$ if it can tout a rock-solid "silicon to software" security solution. It just bought a firm for software, what about the former -- silicon? Huh? "Secure Silicon"? To a US Govt Security type, "secure" means "Made in USA". And these days, the biggest customer in the American market is the government's security apparatus. I see dollars and sense in this Intel move.

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patrick38   11/8/2010 4:30:31 PM
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I think that the move of Intel is this direction is very strategic. Security might be a reason but I believe it is by far not the main one. WHen you look at the market trend and the evolution of process technology it is clear that 22nm will cost a lot in dev and will need very high volume to make it economically viable. One solution is to create a scale effect in markets where it doesnt't exist, and for this FPGA is a good soluton to make one die fitting several applications. On top of this Xilinx already announced avalability in 2011 of FPGA with 2 cortex A9 inside meaning chips which will be perfectly suitable to be used in mass market application as at hte end the gap in cost between a pure asic approach and a FPGA could not be so high with a much faster time to market for FPGA approach. Taking all of this into acount I wouldn't be surprise that the next step will be availability of FPGA with Atom inside from Achronix in order for intel to get ground on this market. From a pure strategic point of view I think as well that Intel shouldn't buy Achronix at leat for now as it is better for them to be seen as a foundary instead of front competitor to Xilinx and Altera.

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