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Intel rolls six merged Atom, FPGA chips

11/22/2010 06:57 PM EST
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Robotics Developer   11/22/2010 9:28:18 PM
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I wonder if any chip vendor intends to support the growing robotics market with a high end processor and FPGA built in for personality/feature hardware support? I can find a plethora of micro/embedded types of processors, there are extensive FPGA offerings but the combination seems slim. The power savings, cost/size savings, and performance would be a great advantage to the myriad of robotic applications. Is there any good options out there?

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wolframr   11/23/2010 4:06:47 PM
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What are you looking for? I may can help. At least I would be very interested what type of System/subsystem you are looking for.

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TingLu   11/24/2010 1:54:25 AM
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Is this what you want? http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2010/04/27/48499/xilinx-hardwires-cortex-a9-mpcore-processor-into-fpga.htm

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jg_   11/25/2010 7:49:40 PM
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There are lots of choices out there for robotics ? Multi-core devices, and Asymmetric Multi core devices choices abound. NXP have announced an Asym.Cortex M4.M0 pairing, and a number of vendors have RISC IO units. See the new TI AM180x, well under $10 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/am1808.html It has what TI call a PRU http://focus.ti.com/lit/wp/spry136/spry136.pdf says : "The PRU subsystem consists of two 32-bit RISC cores (referred to as programmable real-time units, or PRUs), local data and instruction memories, an interrupt controller for capturing and manipulating system-wide events, and input/output pins. The PRU instruction set is simple and execution times are deterministic."

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CMama   11/29/2010 9:45:19 PM
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Have you seen this http://www.actel.com/products/SmartFusion/default.aspx and this http://www.actel.com/products/solutions/motorcontrol/default.aspx multi-axis motor control?

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van.novat   11/23/2010 3:35:58 PM
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Please get Shoesfuucking.com off these web pages. The article was very good though.

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antiquus   11/23/2010 3:37:49 PM
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@RoboticsDeveloper: yes, that would be a good thing, even if it is "last year's" FPGA. Sometimes the push for next-gen stuff leaves little opportunity for a trickle-down of technology. All it would take is some simplified software -- most of the FPGA tools are unfriendly to the new guys. BTW, why would anyone want to fork their shoes?

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jimcondon   11/23/2010 5:45:48 PM
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@RoboticsDeveloper: What is it you are asking for that's different from what Intel has announced? I think this is an great pairing, and can't wait to start using it.

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chanj0   11/23/2010 9:03:19 PM
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The targeted market of the new chips seemingly is STB. Previous article has indicated Atom chip is growing properly in telecommunication segment. Is there any specific Atom being built for this particular segment and others?

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sharps_eng   11/24/2010 12:15:17 AM
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Elsewhere on EET, GateRocket have a neat tool to accelerate RTL simulation, by 'plugging' their hardware box containing a real FPGA into the simulator environment. These new Intel devices might be tough for them to integrate into their emulator boxes?

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Andrew.Felch   11/24/2010 12:57:27 AM
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I saw an FPGA app store suggested over at the daily circuit. That would be crazy!

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david.may   1/8/2011 6:05:36 AM
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"an FPGA app store " that's actually a very good and very old idea. but not in the gold rush Apple store sense of the idea, a closed restricted place where closed IP law rules. but rather a nice Fully Open small/medium businesslike place where you can get and produce Real Open and closed IP cores as micro payment prices per unit commercially sold and free for personal use LGPL style.

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_hm   11/24/2010 3:39:19 AM
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This may be designed originally for Defense market. In that market, space and integration is of prime importance. Having both Atom and FPGA makes design very integrated and can resolve many differrent application. One example is small pocket/handheld PC for Army on the field or software define radio.

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KB3001   11/25/2010 5:52:51 AM
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Possible, but what about the cost?

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elctrnx_lyf   11/24/2010 10:52:41 AM
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I've come across few designs in my experience where a processor along with an FPGA is used together in the design with a tighter integration by a way communication between both the devices. These kind of designs are mostly used in medical designs where the controlling and monitoring is divided among a processor and FPGA, so that FPGA will take care of the controlling tasks when there is any failure in the processor. I think Intel will also show some reference designs to attract different OEM customers. There lies the actual challenge and opportunity!!!

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KB3001   11/25/2010 5:52:02 AM
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@Rick, how about the communication between the altera FPGA and ATOM processor? It would also be intersting to know how this SIP will be programmed.

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Sanjib.A   11/25/2010 11:15:48 AM
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Did Intel publish the preliminary datasheet/ manual for these new devices for the designers to take a look at? What are the packages these FPGA+Atom devices are going to be available? Who is responsible for the support, Altera or Intel or both?

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jg_   11/25/2010 7:25:17 PM
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These are dual-die parts, so design/data support will be from each company. I'd expect some Some Eval/Seed apps will be jointly developed.

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vrheaume   11/26/2010 10:26:38 PM
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Just thinking out loud: won't Achronix be jealous after seeing Intel cooperate with Altera?

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Darius Pl.   11/29/2010 8:01:36 PM
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Here are details on Kotron page: http://uk.kontron.com/about-kontron/news-events/kontron+pcie104+microspace+msmst+first+sbc+with+configurable+intel+atom+e600c+processor+series.4208.html?searchterm=intel+altera

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CMama   11/29/2010 10:04:56 PM
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Have you seen this from Actel? http://www.actel.com/products/solutions/motorcontrol/default.aspx multi-axis Motor control in a single chip?

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Patk0317   9/8/2011 8:28:57 PM
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And Xilinx is working on their next FPGA that will contain and ARM9 - muc h higher end, but the same concept. It doesn't specifically say but I am assuming the Intel device is a multi chip module and not integrated into one piece of Si?

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