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2/18/2011 08:01 PM EST
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mark.lapedus
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mark.lapedus   2/18/2011 9:25:40 PM
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Let's give some credit to Intel. It is making an effort to create jobs in the U.S. (and elsewhere.) Intel is also not flexing its muscle on game shows. It is trying to create jobs and keep manufacturing alive in the U.S.

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rick merritt   2/18/2011 10:27:26 PM
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Do you think Intel will be in oversupply when all this new capacity comes online?

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mark.lapedus   2/18/2011 10:34:57 PM
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Thoughts out there on Intel?

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old account Frank Eory   2/18/2011 10:38:05 PM
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Great news for our industry here in the Silicon Desert!

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geekmaster   2/19/2011 12:35:20 AM
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I expected this! There seems to be hesitation for new 300mm fabs since the downturn. Companies rather invest in upgrading and ramping existing fabs. But upgrading tech nodes can not compensate for increasing demand long. Some of the leading edge companies face the questions: invest in new 300mm fab or wait a few years to get into 450mm?

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geekmaster   2/19/2011 12:40:56 AM
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And remember how 300mm started: first SC300 (Siemens/Moto) with a pilot then Intel with the first real fab.

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phoenixdave   2/19/2011 4:45:51 AM
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I know a lot of Intel process engineers that were laid off over the last few years in favor of PhD's imported from India. These engineers have either found work elsewhere or are still waiting a call back. I hope this is good news for US-based engineers, but I will wait to see. Creating jobs in the US is one thing, creating jobs and filling them with US engineers is another.

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agk   2/19/2011 7:42:04 AM
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Intel goes ahead in technology improvements and this gives a lot of opportunities to us. This is marvelous and knowledge to be imported from any place to succeed

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resistion   2/19/2011 11:29:49 AM
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I think it is an indication their 15 (sic) nm process is 'frozen' and ready for production. Good for them.

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resistion   2/19/2011 2:30:38 PM
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So they are almost certainly working on 11/10 nm development now. Wonder if fab 68 will get high k or will it be stuck forever at 65 nm.

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yalanand   2/19/2011 12:07:01 PM
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Wow, This is exciting. 14nm technology has arrived. And i guess Intel has deliberately thought to build this fab in US and not anywhere else. This will give some respite to the qualified job seekers who lost their jobs to outsourcing/recession.

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RobDinsmore   2/19/2011 1:21:26 PM
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Intel is building this fab to be their HVM1 fab for technology developed out of D1X. As for the jobs and the comment about Indian Ph.D.s. Intel cannot keep good US process engineers in development because most of the jobs are horrible. On call 24/7, all support and nothing interesting, no real opportunity for career advancement, etc. Foreign workers need Intel for the visa sponsorship and tend to stay. Regardless, the only engineers that got laid off were those in 200mm fabs that were closed. More of a consequence of obsolescence rather than the US economy.

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yalanand   2/19/2011 2:45:33 PM
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@RobDinsmore I don't agree with your point that Indians are not career oriented and they tend to stick with the company just for the sake of getting Visa. Just read this article http://bit.ly/hZbVQl And more over US companies are suffering because of the reverse brain drain phenomenon. Read this http://bit.ly/aIn6H9

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wilber_xbox   2/21/2011 9:30:57 PM
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@RobDinsmore, i think you have quite a bad prejudice about Indian that they go after bad jobs [read foreign]. There are enough good opportunities for Indians in India and more are coming, yes my friend. Any do not blame Indians for your laziness, incompetents and "all support and nothing interesting" attitude towards work. No job are bad, only bad (whiners) workers and employees.

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phoenixdave   2/19/2011 3:09:05 PM
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@Rob: "Regardless, the only engineers that got laid off were those in 200mm fabs that were closed. More of a consequence of obsolescence rather than the US economy." I would hope that the length of an engineering career is not determined by how long a particular technology level is present, assuming the engineers knowledge does no become obsolete. Expertise in 200mm fab should provide the foundation of knowledge required to work in a 300mm fab.

resistion
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resistion   2/20/2011 2:08:24 AM
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What really happens is it is decided the California fab like D2 is not worth upgrading to 300mm due to cost, and a cheaper location is sought like Oregon, Arizona, etc. The workers in the closing factory are given some time to look for jobs internally but only the new fab can accommodate so many at once. If they cannot relocate, they can be given a package.

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resistion   2/19/2011 3:37:25 PM
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Intel has a notorious "womb to tomb" policy, where engineers are not allowed to jump to next generation opportunities but have to stick with the same generation tools until obsolescence. New generation jobs given to new engineers.

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GroovyGeek   2/19/2011 6:22:05 PM
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resistion: Let's get the facts straight. The alleged "womb to tomb" policy does not exist. This statement is flat-out incorrect. phoenixdave: While true that there were systematic layoffs a few years ago (for the first time in decades), I think that the "laid off in favor of engineers imported from India" statement needs to be taken with a rock of salt. Intel is one of the few companies in the industry that does not go through hire/fire exercises with the semi cycle. When a fab closes somewhere and another one opens half-way across the country (or the world) a significant fraction of employees refuse to move even when offered the opportunity. It is undeniable that the work load at Intel is significant (though by no means exploitative), as much as it is a fact that math and engineering are not viewed as a plausible career by many in the US. The distribution of graduates from both undergraduate and graduate programs says as much.

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resistion   2/20/2011 1:53:36 AM
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GroovyGeek, of course this policy is not official, but in practice...

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phoenixdave   2/19/2011 6:39:55 PM
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As far as technology goes, I am not surprised that Intel is leading the way in the advanced technology development. This has been heir history for quite some time. They are becoming a rarity in the industry, with many other companies pushing toward a fabless operational strategy. The impending opening of Globalfoundries and the existing foundries will continue this trend. Intel seems to have the deep pockets and internal talent to be successful with their strategy, so however they accomplish this internally, they have to be applauded for their success to date.

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chipmonk0   2/20/2011 6:50:52 AM
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Phoenixdave: Your statement about Intel laying off process engineers at their fab ( Ocotillo ? ) in favor of PhDs imported from India sounds "phoney". To the best of my knowledge there are no semiconductor mfg industry ( beyond 1 um ! ) or related academic programs in India. But Taiwan or So. Korea - for sure. Or are you perhaps confusing between Software ( for which India is a major supplier of cheap manpower ) and Solid State Physics and engaging in ad hominem attacks ?

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chipmonk0   2/20/2011 6:54:23 AM
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Question for Mark Lapedus : Care to guess what type of chips Intel will make at this new 14 nm Fab ?

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wilber_xbox   2/21/2011 9:39:04 PM
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I have read this news in connection with the announcement of Paul Otellini's plan to add more jobs and spend money. The extra news is that the fab will be for the 14nm node, which will come around 2020 according to ITRS roadmap. We are in 2011, so will the job addition take place in this span of 10 years?

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Baolt   2/28/2011 9:49:11 PM
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@Mark is this the fab where 2 rivals (nikon & asml) will support tools for factory or its the one at israel? do you have any information on that? also did us goverment gave some incentive to have factory at Az.?

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jrw1617   3/2/2011 6:19:38 AM
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It's good to see a profitable company moving forward. Although it's funny, I did not see anyone mention that Intel is basically forced to build advanced FABs in the U.S. because they are restricted due to US export control regulations. Just a few years ago (less than 3yrs ago), no technology smaller than 65nm could be sent outside the US by a US company. Companies based in other countries of course could develop the technology on their own (i.e. Samsung, TSMC, etc.). In some sense, the US govt is at least trying to force the retention of high tech workers within the US.

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double-o-nothing   5/1/2011 3:45:57 PM
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Intel 14 nm gate patterning requires 2 PSMs and two trims, that's four exposures right there.

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