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4/22/2011 10:39 AM EDT
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Sheetal.Pandey
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Sheetal.Pandey   4/30/2011 6:46:37 PM
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this patent war is so interesting...not always the one who is true wins but the one who has big bucks..

old account Frank Eory
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old account Frank Eory   4/26/2011 8:03:23 PM
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You're absolutely right Peter, and I think that we engineers all too easily forget what patents are all about. We love it when a patent gets issued to us, because we see it as an acknowledgment of our engineering contribution to advancing the state of the art. But this is not the reason companies pay big money to file and maintain patents -- as you said, they do it for the commercial value. We engineers sometimes hate that the financial value of a patent can only be realized by lawsuits, the threat of lawsuits, or cross-licensing deals that allow other companies to use some of our patents if we can use some of theirs. Engineers love to invent things, and inventions naturally lead to patents. Perhaps engineers need to occasionally remind themselves of what patents are really all about -- using the legal system as either a defensive or offensive weapon against a competitor.

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DimitriCanuck   4/26/2011 7:08:00 PM
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Apple is using the fact the majority of people who are not into computers think they are the first to sell a tablet. Many companies have been producing them for a number of years before Apple. Fujitsu is also a large company that has been producing tablets for years. Even my Archos 9 came out before the iPad. Apple is not about innovation, but instead about marketing. They've been good at selling over priced goods compared to the competition for years because their marketing department works very well. Even their computers are nothing special, and yet people still buy them with 30-40% mark ups verses the competition who now since they use Intel is even easier to calculate and show how much above Apple prices out their products. Similar to how they sell iPhones for $638, with a BOM cost of less then 180$ something most other companies couldn't dream of doing. So they have plenty of money to throw around in these suits whether or not they actually win.

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Peter Clarke   4/26/2011 10:28:03 AM
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@BalaLak Well we have discussed before Apple's plans to work with TSMC on the baseband processor. Although Samsung's chip division still appears to be the monopoly supplier. As to the rest of the debate, there seems to be a lot of frustration that companies take out patents and get engaged in tit-for-tat legal suits. But that's what patents are there for. To build some sort of "position" around a techniques and technologies primarily as a COMMERCIAL lever. Once a market gets large enough and a competitor threatening enough, it would be a dereliction of duty to the shareholders not to use those patents to try and slow that competition down. That's the patents' purpose. And the fact is that patents are expensive to file and maintain and often seem to be granted for minutely detailed yet patently obvious reasons. But that's ok too because having them contested and found unenforceable still slows the competition down.

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BalaLak   4/26/2011 9:21:47 AM
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I get the feeling that Apple has backup plans in case Samsung stops making the processor for Apple or stops selling them memory devices. Apple is quite capable of quietly doing this while the whole world is busy discussing the lawsuit. Thoughts?

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fdunn0   4/26/2011 9:06:03 AM
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Where is Motion Computing in all of Apple's look and feel frenzy? Motion Computing has been selling tablets for years before Apple even started one on the drawing board. Apple can't sue on the form factor which is half the suit, the other half is iOS and Samsung is not using it. Apple is just trying to suppress any competition in the market. Also Samsung is giving Apple preferential treatment of their products so if Apple truly doesn't want delays they will cool their heels.

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Athlor   4/26/2011 4:51:58 AM
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Apple's evil side looks darker than Microsoft's ever did. They are pathetic.

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KB3001   4/25/2011 5:12:02 PM
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I can see both point of views. The question is where do we draw the line? Case law is the best tool we have so far....

KB3001
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KB3001   4/25/2011 5:09:55 PM
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I think it's an attack on a rival in the smart phone arena + an attack on Google's Android used in Samsung's Galaxy. Android is a big threat to Apple ... and Microsoft. The latter is also launching attacks againt other OEMs that use Android....

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Mr. FA   4/25/2011 3:37:35 PM
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Semiman_#1. I disagree with your assertion apple conceptualized the tablet. I think they were the first to execute a product with mass market success based on their software offering, not form factor, look or feel.

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