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5/2/2011 05:36 PM EDT
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yalanand
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yalanand   5/2/2011 6:12:06 PM
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This is very bad news for Samsung. Moreover Samsung's profit has fallen by 30% during this Q1. Needs to be seen how Samsung will compensate for this. On the other hand I am sure Intel will do everything it can to get business from Apple.

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resistion   5/2/2011 7:30:35 PM
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Would be curious how much capacity Intel would give to Apple vs. itself.

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selinz   5/2/2011 8:50:44 PM
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I can see Intel fabs supporting their own relatively high margin products. Being able to compete for more "commodity" offerings is a different ball game. However, Apple did move to Intel CPU's on their computers. Time will tell...

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VincePG   5/2/2011 9:39:15 PM
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Samsung is the biggest competitive threat to Apple so it makes sense to move away from Samsung. TSMC is a good cost competitor, but its always a question how much technology goes out the back door in Taiwan and China and Apple is coming under increased pressure from no-names. Intel has shown itself to be grossly incompetent at making system level products, so Apple has nothing to fear there. Maybe Intel wins by being incompetent, assuming it really wants to be in the foundry business. 25k wafers a month is a lot of wafers when good times returns to CPU. Intel has no history of saying no to spare resources when CPU calls.

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Procs   5/2/2011 10:05:50 PM
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For our product (40nm and 45nm), wafer from TSMC is still much higher than from Samsung. Looking at the RE A5 layout, you'll noticed lots of similarity with A4. I wonder how much of the A5 work is done by Apple internally vs. by Samsung design services; I would guess the standard cell, soft IP and layout is done by Samsung, that makes it more difficult to switch Foundry. Also because Apple/Samsung deal is "Good Chip" based contract, with the current A5 yield, I doubt if Samsung is making any money out of A5. I would consider Global Foundry (Fab 8) to be a more reasonable foundry replacement since the 45nm process characteristics is much similar to Samsung compare to TSMC. Intel will not be the foundry for Apple on 45nm products; maybe for 32nm or 22nm node; But Intel's process is optimized for regularity design and design rule restrictions gonna be a huge problem for low power products. By comparison, the cost from Intel will be around 20-40% more than tsmc or Samsung makes it even less likely to manufacture for Apple.

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_hm   5/3/2011 6:23:03 AM
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Intel and Apple may have cosy relations after success of Thunderbolt interface. But Apple A5 has ARM cores. Will Intel like to make ARM cores? Or will Intel offer novel solution to Apple?

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Peter Clarke   5/3/2011 12:53:35 PM
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@hm Well given that Apple designed the A4 and A5 making use of an architectural license from ARM, it would be a radical change if they turned to x86 chips for future generations of i-hardware. The implication if this story seems to be that Intel COULD become one of the leading manufacturers of ARM-based processors, both in terms of technology and volume, through a foundry engagement. Interesting!!!

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kennysu2   5/3/2011 1:31:49 PM
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As a market leader with ARM platform, which is eating the big pie of Intel through tablet PC segment, Apple may not be the right customer for Intel.

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SZA   5/3/2011 2:34:36 PM
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It sounds quite interesting and probable in future Ax SoCs. Both Apple and Intel are already partners for Mac (also thunderbolt). There is no apparent rivalary with intel compared to Samsung. Going with intel can also provide Apple process node differentiation over rivals in future 22nm ... and for intel it is a significant volume product to fill Fab.

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chipmonk0   5/3/2011 5:10:58 PM
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Good to see that Intel is pursuing Apple - something I had written about here a couple of months back. Compeared to newcomer foundries like either TSMC or Samsung, stolid old Intel still has better physics and processes as well as the bank balance to turn them into leading edge Fabs at least a node ahead of the pretenders ( incl. IBM ). Intel can offer Apple an unique capacity for shrinking ( at 22 nm ) their massive A5 die and provide lower power dissipation / long battery life due to high k metal gate process combined with lower interconnect delays from ELK dielectrics( k lower than 2.5 ) / Cu metalliztion. All this translates into competitive advantage for Apples i-whatevers. But they had better move fast because TSMC is very aggressively pursuing 20 nm and FinFETs. Regarding Intel, they would have to get off the Stalinist Gulag mode of running Fabs and get used to the somewhat flakey ex PA Semi designers / prima donnas at Apple who are doing the A5 etc.

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