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5/3/2011 08:25 PM EDT
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Brad Pierce
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Brad Pierce   5/3/2011 10:09:45 PM
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According to Roger Schank, "We need to stop producing a nation of stressed out students who learn how to please the teacher instead of pleasing themselves. We need to produce adults who love learning, not adults who avoid all learning because it reminds them of the horrors of school. We need to stop thinking that all children need to learn the same stuff." http://blogbrut.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/is-school-bad-for-kids

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Bob Lacovara   5/4/2011 1:02:33 PM
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Wozniak has the correct conclusion: American public schools mostly stink. I'm not sure his solution, however, is workable. It is hard to imagine a more hag-ridden establishment of moronic liberal-twaddle rules, procedures, punishment of the innocent and protection of the guilty in public schools: and I'm talking about the teachers there, not just the administrators. Well, ok. Let's assume for the moment that I think that American public schools are not doing, um, the best job they could. More money for schools? Nah, they get too much as it is. Better teachers? From where? Many are pretty good, but how do you work in a totally broken system, where parents assume that the teachers are persecuting their budding genii? Here's my solution: drop all the hogwash programs, incentive schools, National Appreciation of Universal Oneness malarky. Instead, teach three things: reading, writing, and arithmetic. Teach reading by making students read: toss in some history and geography reading while you're at it. Teach writing by making them write: about the books they read, history and fiction. And teach arithmetic by making them do wrote arithmetic problems over and over and over again. They don't like school? That's your metric: no kid would sit in a classroom and write an essay if they could be home playing some brain-dead video game. For an advanced curricula, we could also teach rhetoric, but I don't know if many present teachers even know what I mean by that in the classical sense.

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any1   5/4/2011 1:17:12 PM
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We seem to have reached a point in this country where we as a society believe that every child should have some basic skills (no child left behind). But the reality is given the backgrounds and home life of some students this can not always be achieved - even with the best teachers. But we spend all our resources trying to achieve this goal and there is nothing left for "real" education. So it seems only when schools are allowed to pick relatively socioeconomic homogeneous students (private schools) they can provide a better education.

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agk   5/4/2011 1:40:41 PM
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In these two centuries the subject matter and their real life applications evolved largely. But the basics for this whole evolution stays with those major inventions taken place at the end 18 th and during the first half of 19th centuray. Schools need to give little more attention to teach the basics clearly with 1000% more practicals in concurrence with the theories taught. This will make brains to visualize,calculate and apply them into real life applications in their future carrier from thier higher studies and in their profession. I served in business,education and industry. I am combining my expertise to produce trainer kits in the field of electrical,electronics and communications to the schools. I expect to supply the same soon. Models can be seen at my website www.tekechild.com. I suggest the same to all elederly proffesionals to contribute their expertise to the school children in every possible ways.

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GREAT-Terry   5/4/2011 4:22:48 PM
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I agree that inflexible curriculum kills creativity but USA should already be doing not as bad as Asia where students are treated like robots. You can't believe that students in China has to attend a lot of remedy classes and tutorial from 7:00 to 23:00 every weekday in order to practice the examination skills and ways to write "correct" answers that the standard marking scheme allows. To people like us in Asia, USA is already a free land for thoughts and creativity!

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Robotics Developer   5/4/2011 4:33:24 PM
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Wozniak was right about the public school system, the growing numbers of home schooled students reflects the fact that HOME SCHOOLING works. It works for many reasons: parents are engaged, students are accountable, teaching can focus on strengthening a student's weakness areas and allow for greater exploration of interest areas, the cost is MUCH lower than the school system (I know, we homeschooled our 7 kids),the students are treated as individuals and not as a block of 20 to 35 students. When I was in public and then private schools the class was always dragged down to the lowest common denominator student because the teacher was trying to teach the basics to all the students. The effect was to slow down class progress (boring) and limited what could be taught in the school year. There are great teachers (no enough) and many so-so teachers, the system does not reward the great, nor penalize the bad or mediocre.

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DigySol   5/4/2011 6:56:31 PM
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Data point: I served as a judge in the Trinity Fire Fighting Robot Contest, an international robotics contest, and noticed that, in the high school division, all US participants came from private schools.

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schubeal   5/4/2011 7:11:55 PM
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The biggest problem with schooling is that there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Home schooling is a great solution for proper pacing but depends on parents being able to judge their children's abilities objectively, a diminishing skill in today's participation-ribbon culture. Public schools tend to have a big demographic mix and therefore leave behind kids who don't have involved parents or bore kids who have been educated from a young age and need a challenge. I believe that we need mandatory pre-k education, balanced by letting kids drop-out, or test out, after any year of high school. This would shift cost away from expensive public high school teachers to much less expensive pre schools, while also ensuring a solid basis of learning from the youngest possible age. Anyways, just a thought from last night's shower. Feel free to rip it to shreds.

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Patk0317   5/4/2011 7:17:52 PM
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I think Woz's comment about some sort of hand held computer being able to keep 30 students engaged, each at their own pace has a lot of merit. Home Schooling is impractical when it takes two salaries to pay the bills. Having a competent teacher who can support the students as needed while they are each learning at their own pace is where we should be using all this technology. The technology exists today, someone just needs to start writing the apps.

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wade   5/4/2011 7:33:58 PM
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"liberal-twaddle rules"? 'Conservatism' which has deprived the educational system of much needed funds is the culprit.

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