DALLAS—Nvidia Corp. recently left PC benchmarking consortium Business Applications Performance Corp. (BAPCo), the organization now engaged in a war of words with Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) after AMD exited the group earlier this week, according to an Nvidia spokesperson.
The Nvidia spokesperson confirmed in an email exchange that Nvidia recently left BAPCo, but said the company is not "providing more color or context behind the decision."
AMD provided plenty of color and context when it announced Tuesday (June 21) it was pulling out of BAPCo and said it would not support the SYSmark 2012 benchmark that the group publishes. This prompted BAPCo to fire back with a prepared statement saying that AMD supported more than 80 percent of the SYSmark 2012 development milestones and refuting an accusation that BAPCo threatened to expel AMD, which was made by Senior Vice President And Chief Marketing Officer Nigel Dessau in a blog posting.
SYSmark 2012 is the latest version of a benchmark that compares PC performance based on real-world applications, including Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, Adobe Acrobat, WinZip, Autodesk AutoCAD and 3ds Max, and others. Previous versions include SYSmark 2007 and SYSmark 2004.
BAPCo's membership roster includes high-tech heavyweights such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Hitachi, Intel, Lenovo, Microsoft, Samsung, Seagate, Sony and Toshiba, among others.
SysMark has ALWAYS been Intel extension specific and the results ALWAYS showed the same.
Well I guess SysMark can differentiate Intel platforms but that is about it.
SysMark has made it's product meaningless.
Assuming the AMD accusation bobbytsai refers to is correct, BAPCo brought this on themselves. It would be up to AMD to makes its case, but undoubtedly there is enough of a problem to cause Nvidia to bow out as well.
A problem with ceding power to someone else is that the someone else no longer has to take you into consideration; they tend to do what they want and for the reasons they want. Independent arbitrators of performance of anything ONLY have value if they are truly independent. The biggest problem is proving the true independence.
AMD would be in better control of their destiny by devising their own set of performance metrics which would show off their superiority (if any) and challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
"Previously AMD simply accused BAPCo of using Intel-optimized software (compilers and cpuid specific optimizations) within the test suite." Issues with fairness on just CPU benchmarking.
A benchmark without OPENCL, CUDA, GPGPU, GPU accleration or DirectCompute for 2012 is pretty much useless. Flash, IE9, Windows 7, FF4, Adobe *. Its hard to find applications that don't use gpu acceleration.
Here is BAPCo's description of SYSmark 2012. http://www.bapco.com/support/sysmark2012/sm2012_Help/license/benchmarking_rules.html
As I understand it, it is a way to quantify how a system performs running a set of common softwae applications. I imagine there are plenty of things that participating companies may disagree about in such an undertaking. Obviously each company would push for things it thinks favors their hardware.
Will the benchmark be meaningful without AMD and Nvidia? I really don't know how it will be received without their participation. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
So, the arm twisting continues even in seemingly independent consortiums. What is not obvious here is what this SysMark2012 contains and why AMD is not happy about it. So if AMD and Nvidia exit the forum the becnmarks will not be any more meaningful, right?
Not sure if AMD and Nvidia will join forces, but it's certainly a possibility. Interesting how while AMD trumpeted it's departure and issued a statement in an attempt to discredit BAPCo, Nvidia quietly walked away and didn't want to discuss it.
So, it looks like Nvidia along with some others might join with AMD to get associated with BAPco's rival consortium. This increases my suspicion about the major rivals of Intel, such as AMD smelling biasness of BAPco towards Intel...possible?
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