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6/30/2011 10:05 PM EDT
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Ducksoup_SD   8/4/2011 12:20:14 AM
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I agree that the K-12 system is broken. I had a young engineer working for me that got upset because I didn't praise his efforts that didn't come close to completing the project. He had TRIED, and that's all he thought was required, while I required that the project should actually operate correctly. His teachers had never bothered to let him know about overcoming failure -- they were just happy he had TRIED! However, Ms. Burns must be joking when she suggests that someone ignore the salary market and take a 50% pay cut just to ensure she gets her multimillion dollar CEO bonus from Xerox. If you want highly talented engineers working at Xerox, Ms. Burns, Wall Street and other financial groups are now setting the salary bar. Don't offer half the pay and whine when no one takes you up on the offer!

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embedded_guy123   7/29/2011 5:22:14 PM
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I'd like to point out that Burns' undergrad was at the Polytechnic Institute at NYU (Formerly known as Brooklyn Poly). She is one of our most successful grads. According to wikipedia, she has a masters from Columbia. That said, I think she makes some good points. But, it is obvious why many of the best and brightest choose fields other than engineering. Other fields offer more money and more respect and aren't any harder than engineering. A lot of smart engineers have smart kids (believe it or not) and tell them there are better ways to earn a living. What will you tell your kids?

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resistion   7/24/2011 2:21:58 PM
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I agree creativity has nothing to do with coursework, but many argue the US educational system does not foster creativity, due to too few motivating instructors.

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bobzz0   7/24/2011 7:26:37 AM
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Show me the money, bitch. /Graduate engineering degree from elite school, changed industry three times due to layoffs, regret not going to wall street straight out of undergrad.

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asimecs   7/20/2011 4:38:32 PM
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Just compare the salary of CEO, CFOs vs engineers then you can find out why wise American students choose financial careers instead of cubicle life that can be shipped offshore anytime. The disparity in pay has to be rectify first before change in education trends can happen.

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Sheetal.Pandey   7/20/2011 10:44:02 AM
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well they might be making more money in wall street :-)

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Peter Clarke   7/19/2011 2:03:42 PM
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@Lee Harrison When you referred to Burns I thought you might mean Charles Montgomery "Monty" Burns, owner of the Springfield nuclear plant in the Simpsons. It is clear why Mr. Burns might appeal for education to produce more engineers. After all he is forced to employ Homer Simpson.

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Lee Harrison   7/19/2011 12:58:30 PM
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I'm getting tired of CEOs telling the American public that "we need more engineers." Burns, like Fiorina before her ... has a batchelor's degree in engineering and went into management. Obviously she found it more suited to her talents and more rewarding. A CEO saying these things is just saying "I need more cheap smart labor that will do the work I didn't want to do, and won't ask for more money." It's obvious why so few people actually try to learn the technically-difficult subjects -- it is indeed hard and the rewards are not commensurable, except for whatever sense of self-satisfaction that results.

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Bert22306   7/18/2011 8:10:07 PM
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I think you're saying the same thing I'm saying, but that does not translate to "the educational system is broken." It is, if anything, the parents that are broken. It is parents who frantically drive their kids to sports activities, who yell at TV screens during games like it really matters, and who generally "teach" their kids to venerate sports clebrities and therefore the most trivial of activities. For those kids who want it, even public schools offer perfectly good courses. They are labeled "gifted and talented," or "advanced placement," or even "baccalaureate program," but in fact they are designed so that anyone with any amount of motivation can do them just fine. They are absolutely not course work meant only for geniuses. The politically correct thing to do is to blame "the system" or "society," because that takes the blame off of individuals, which is always where the blame belongs.

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M_S   7/18/2011 7:32:08 PM
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I agree that the K-12 education system is broken, but it is very much the fault of parents and the psychologists that insist that it "damages" kids to fail them! I've seen far too much about not actually giving grades in school, which is a symptom of this trend. Something else that really IRKS me: calling sports figures "heroes"!! They don't fit my definition of hero. What did they do that was heroic?? The only reason they have become such a big deal is due to the media emphasizing their achievements. And, yes, their achievements are nothing of substance or that makes the world better.

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