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8/12/2011 08:27 PM EDT
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Saturation   8/17/2011 2:52:08 PM
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There is a Fluke China, but there still is a Fluke USA and EU for the high end equipment. Few Wellers are made in China, but their higher grade equipment is Germany, Japan, Mexico. Agilent is in Malaysia, and have avoided the woes of IP theft as others endured. China manufacturing has created a persona all its own, from low cost, to counterfeit to top notch production, but the situation there has many looking elsewhere, this has been on going for almost 10 years. All know what they gained and lost in the China milieu. This unfortunately, is not the situation of Goodwill, as a Taiwan based company the real question is how will their niche survive when the model by which they thrived: low cost T&M that isn't state of the art, are at the same level as mainland China? How much of their IP is being stolen and used by the same companies out to steal their market share?

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atomsplitter   8/17/2011 9:25:58 AM
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How much of Fluke is made in China now?- more than you might suppose i Fear. A lot of big brands have plants in China- yes they are subject to origional standards- but everyone remenbers the story of the JEEP factory in china - the locals had built a clone factory right next door as the same time as the Jeep factory went up! The only way for teh west to keep ahead is keep doing R&D and innovate constantly- but im preaching to the converted!

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seaEE   8/17/2011 5:20:34 AM
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All I can say is that you get what you pay for, and that applies to safety and compliance engineering and the circuit protection components (thermistors, movs, fuses, fusible resistors, and spark gaps) and the maintenance of critical safety spacing that go into the front end of DMMs. If I am measuring 1000V with a multimeter, I want a Fluke.

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rick merritt   8/17/2011 3:31:46 AM
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If this happened in the US, Agilent, Tek and every other T&M company would have the China OEMs before the ITC and other courts faster than you can say "patents."

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GREAT-Terry   8/16/2011 9:49:50 AM
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R&D is still important in T&M field and I believe price is not the only factor that keeps a company in good shape. People who is still innovative can still be the leader, of course margins may be thinner than before but it should still be high and attractive for players.

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kaloo   8/16/2011 7:53:45 AM
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Still i think chinese have to put in their own RnD efforts.we have checked equipment from various makers from china.Only rigol seems to be quality product,may be bcz it is backed by China.Goodwill of taiwan is really undisputed Price /quality leader to date.And judging their active RnD and increasing product portfolio ,they will remain Industry leader.

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chanj0   8/15/2011 4:31:46 PM
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If a product can be re-engineered by just copy and assemble, I strong doubt there are a lot of valuable IP involved. In order to compete, a new company always introduces a similar product with a lower price. Yet, in order to sustain its own business, the company has to continue to improve the product. If it can't stay ahead of the game, it's going to be seen as 2nd tier and will never be able to compete effective with an innovative company.

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_hm   8/14/2011 4:50:18 PM
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It is really good that Chnia brings down the cost T and M Instruments. However, it is totally unetical to copy IP. China can and should design their own products from basic specifications. This may not be very expensive for company who can capture good part of world market.

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KB3001   8/14/2011 12:25:59 PM
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This has been going on for some time now, nothing new. I can't see anything changing in the near future given China's economic clout and Western economic woes.

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agk   8/14/2011 8:43:27 AM
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Controling the copying fully is not possible. That is the reason big companies like Agilent,Tek continually improve thier product spec and its features. Those who ever update their products will be able to hold their market share. Some of the competeitve china products seems to perform equally good with long term stability.

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