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8/16/2011 03:00 PM EDT
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selinz   8/16/2011 3:12:51 PM
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Well, the pc world needs a huge boost, that's for sure. People are getting excited about phones, not PC's. That's a problem for MS.

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_hm   8/16/2011 3:35:54 PM
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First and ofremost problem is - How fast Windows 8 will boot? In few seconds or few minutes?

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Ryan Tennill   8/16/2011 10:37:08 PM
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Do people really power cycle their devices so much that startup and shutdown times are really that important? Granted I don't travel for a living but the only time I power down a machine is when I don't plan on using it for several days or if my laptop is running low.

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Spuderator   8/17/2011 1:48:36 AM
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I used to be the same, but rising power bill costs are killer these days, I've compromised by just hibernating my machine when I'm away. But Boot times are still an issue from Hibernation My new SSD's have improved boot up times, but too much startup overhead is always annoying for those who still powerup and power down their machines.

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any1   8/16/2011 4:55:44 PM
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Computers with solid state drives do seem to boot much faster than those with generic hard drives these days so the OS is not the only factor in determining boot time.

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LarryM99   8/16/2011 5:04:37 PM
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SSD's could be another case of faster hardware solving software's problems. My main computer boots Win7 off an SSD in under ten seconds, and the SSD isn't one of the PCIe ones. The real question is whether Win8 is going to be significant enough to make a difference. Win7 has been considered a success, but the huge majority of business desktops still run XP. They pretty much skipped over Vista and are only now incorporating Win7. Personally, I think that the faster OS release cycle from Microsoft is a mistake, at least in the business market. Larry M.

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Daniel Payne   8/16/2011 7:39:01 PM
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I'd love it if Win8 would allow me to run Mac OS X virtually, then I could use one laptop to run both Windows and Mac. Until that happens I will happily continue to use my MacBook Pro which runs Windows 7 using Parallels.

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LarryM99   8/16/2011 10:24:02 PM
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I would bet that virtualization technology in the current version would do that now, except that technically it's in violation of Apple's licensing agreements. I know that it is running on generic PC hardware by itself. Talk to Apple, not Microsoft... Larry M.

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dirk.bruere   8/16/2011 7:42:18 PM
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Alternate Windows releases seem to be total dogs, which does not bode well for 8

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gkp00co   8/16/2011 8:05:02 PM
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"biggest overhaul of the PC operating system since Windows 95" but "no details on the new capabilities"... Sounds like marketing drivel to me. In fact I have an overwhelming sense of deja-vu -- haven't we all heard this from Redmond before? For instance wasn't Vista supposed to be a bottom-to top rewrite of XP (itself a supposed rewrite of 95/98) - what could possibly be a bigger overhaul than that? And speaking of Vista, after *that* particular exercise in vapor-features, it's no surprise that they're keeping mum on all the new capabilities that v8 won't be able to do... -- GKP

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whywayne   8/16/2011 8:05:25 PM
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The weatherman on C.N.N. has touch technology like I have never witnessed on a PC. If Win 8 has it, I'm In...Touch a command, throw away the other with the touch of a finger, new screen appears... Cool Stuff....

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LarryM99   8/16/2011 10:27:18 PM
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That's Microsoft's Surface technology. I have seen it used in hotel lobbies and in military applications as well (battlefield planning, specifically). I wouldn't be surprised to see some version of that come out in Win8 as well. Larry M.

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Bert22306   8/16/2011 9:05:32 PM
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Sounds like the right way to go, to unify PCs, smartphones, and tablets, as they always should have been. However I've seen enough early descriptions of upcoming Windows versions to know that the actual product is INEVITABLY much more evolutionary than the early hype suggested. But at least, I think their goals are right on the money. As to the nonsense about PCs being on the decline, that just ticks me off. It sounds like no one does any real work anymore, to say something so ridiculous. I'll grant that in the past, many people who owned PCs did not really need PCs. So of course, that user base went to smartphones and tablets, and the growth of the PC market would flatten, as expected. Just about any growth curve is an S curve, after all. But tablets and smartphones have a long way to go before they can become the primary tool for writing software, for writing reports, for running industrial machinery, and for doing anything but the most casual kind of research.

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LarryM99   8/16/2011 10:29:54 PM
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I'm not so sure about that. My Xoom table has taken over at least 80% of what I used to use my laptop for. It also is taking over some of what I used to use my smartphone for, but I haven't seen much mention of that. Larry M.

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Bert22306   8/16/2011 10:44:24 PM
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Give me a tablet dock, so I can tie it to a gigantic screen, on which I can have multiple documents open at the same time, and perhaps even make that a touchscreen, and then maybe I can begin not having to use my physical desktop for open books. Failing that, I just can't see a tablet becoming my staple diet for actual work. Once you put the keyboard on that tablet, the amount of real estate left for the monitor is tiny. Can it be that I work so differently from everyone else? I doubt it.

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patrick38   8/18/2011 6:48:40 AM
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patrick38   8/18/2011 6:39:21 AM
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I a, not seing tablet repalcing laptops and smartphones. It just come in adition of this things. for sure looking at a video is more convenient on a tablet than a smartphone but when you move to programming doing real work meaning creating contant then the PC with big screen is the thing you need. Tablet for me is just a solution to extend the screen of a smartphone but if tomorrow I have capacity to have a large scrren when needed lock in the form factor of a smrtphone, I no longer need a tablet

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Jeff.Petro   8/16/2011 10:35:06 PM
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I would almost expect Windows 8 to be designed to work with smartphones, tablets, traditional PCs and single use devices (ie DVD player, media servers, etc.). Linux has been the 'goto' language of choice for most non-PC devices and I think this is where MS wants to expand in to.

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VictorT   8/17/2011 8:22:06 AM
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i just wonder how small is the footprint of win8. or can it be slipstreamed like xp? or do they make win8 embedded too?

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agk   8/17/2011 7:48:31 AM
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Windows8 can it detect my eye position and know which button i am interested and show a flash of that button?And i tell yes or click then it works.

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RogerD_#2   8/17/2011 2:10:29 PM
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C'mon folks, where are the comments about how Windows 8 will serve the Embedded industry? This is EE Times, isn't it? Where is the concern about how this will impact the engineering world. The comments I see here are all about the "traditional" computing world of desktops, tablets, mobile devices, etc. This isn't PC Week people, this is EE Times! Are there any real engineers reading EE Times anymore?? I could not care less if Windows 8 can detect eye positions - if I need that functionality I'll develop it myself, where did all of the real engineers go????

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rick merritt   8/17/2011 3:14:01 PM
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Great point, RogerD! What do embedded systems designers want in nex-gen Windows? Is it the touch screen, new app model (HTML5/Javascript, CSS), ARM support stuff MS is promising? Or something else?

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t.alex   8/17/2011 3:20:59 PM
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Any idea Windows 8 will be running on next-gen Nokia phone?

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Duane Benson   8/17/2011 4:50:58 PM
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Re Win8 on embedded: Having some experience in WinCE, I'm skeptical. I'm not sure how much sense makes either. The needs of embedded systems are quite different than the needs of a general application platform such as the PC/Laptop/Tablet. I really don't think it makes a lot of sense to take all of the overhead required for a consumerish PC and add it into an embedded system where real-time responsiveness and/or conservation of resources are paramount.

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t.alex   8/20/2011 1:21:53 AM
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MS still sticks to the Windows image, which, to many developers and users, is huge, slow, buggy.

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RogerD_#2   8/17/2011 5:53:42 PM
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Duane, Agreed! Yet when, if ever, will MS field a real high-quality Embedded OS in the same league as WindRiver and QNX (and I'm not talking about WinCE)? Why should I care, because too many times throughout my career I've been pressed by management to put "Windows" into an embedded system - not for any good technical reasons, simply because they can then say "We have Microsoft in our system". I've heard too many horror stories about WinCE to ever make the mistake of using it on my projects.

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patrick38   8/18/2011 6:48:50 AM
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I think the main question for me with win8 is not really in hte new features but more on hte legacy. It is a revolution in MS history to support 2 type of processor for their OS which has supported only x86 in the past. What will be the aditionnal cost in term of feature and processing to have capbility to run on ARM and x86. How will they manage the enormous windows x86 legacy. will an application created for win8 run on win7 for instance? looking at the mess in the past regarding stability due to complexity and testing of recent windows version we can be very worried with win8. What will be the environment given to developpers ? will they have to develop twice the application once for x86 and once for ARM? I strongly belive the problem is not in hte new gadget which can be added but more on the complete picture around win8 and support of x86 and ARM.

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anon6223816   8/19/2011 12:40:38 AM
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Actually, WinCE ran on ARM and x86, but the x86 support (AFAIK) was only available for use during development so you could test on a PC, but not supported for deployment. At one point, Windows NT ran on PowerPC, but it was killed early. So it's not that M'soft can't do portable software, they've just never had a good reason to deploy on multiple platforms. Until ARM got "good enough" for the portable world; and now here we are.

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