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10/6/2011 03:27 PM EDT
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resistion   10/6/2011 3:54:52 PM
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2013-2015 is do or die period for many technologies being developed today.

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goafrit   10/6/2011 5:21:29 PM
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Interesting - so this special memory is still on the path to market. Let us see how it will do.

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scva550i   10/6/2011 5:42:58 PM
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It sounds too good to be true.

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Volatile Memory   10/6/2011 6:14:05 PM
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This is getting more hilarious than the PCM/PRAM scam! So Meg Whitman's company and Hynix, two companies that can't get their own houses in order, are going to have a chip in 18 months? If this is a ploy for Mr. Williams to somehow keep his job a few more months, surely it won't work.

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R G.Neale   10/6/2011 8:27:15 PM
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What is interesting is that for PCM and now for Memistors both IBM and now HP/Hynix have abandoned the dreaded product road map and replaced it with specific NV memory targets. IBM has 2016 for PCM in its servers and now we have HP/Hynix claiming they will have devices that will challenge Flash in 2013. This allows the question, what will need to happen as the intermediate steps in order to achieve those particular target dates. In house, chip design, mask sets, development and proving of the fabrication process, full characterization and full reliability testing. Plus all the other steps that allow cost competitive memory product to be put on the market What will it take to be competitive with Flash? Will there be a continuity of chip bit capacities for HP/Hynix or will they go for the big bang-that now needs to be 1G-bit plus. My view with respect to the 2013 target for HP/Hynix Memistor, is unless they are well advanced with respect to most of the in-house steps mentioned above the target is unlikely to be met and the motive behind making such an announcement now must be questioned. Unless, in the very near future (early 2012) Samsung, Micron or Hynix announce a performance and price competitive scaled 1G-bit PCM product, I cannot find any way to be optimistic that even the long-range claim of 2016 by IBM for their PCM application will actually be met by a PCM based device.

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ilmenauer   10/7/2011 12:14:18 AM
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PCM will be abandoned soon, i presume. It was stillborn. There is no significant demand and technology is still raw (even though Samsung and Numonyx are trying to sell commercial samples).

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jg_   10/9/2011 11:55:38 PM
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Yes, a claim of "Whatever the best in flash memory is, we'll be able to double that.", when he has no idea where FLASH will be in 2013, is falling into the old trap of comparing what you have in the labs, with the alternative in volume production. A message for stockholders perhaps, not customers ?

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dirk.bruere   10/6/2011 9:20:26 PM
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Vaporware

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Lee Harrison   10/6/2011 11:43:36 PM
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Somebody is going to make one of these variants work commercially... the basic physics is sound and reproducible. Whether that will be HP/Hynix on their claimed schedule .. I wouldn't bet on that. My guess is that we'll see it first in really high-end server hardware, or possibly "big iron," for cache. IBM rather aggressively added eDRAM L3 cache to the Power7s ... which I thought was a bit gutsy since they are sold as Hi_Rel. IBM might be the first to roll out memristor cache.

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Volatile Memory   10/7/2011 10:13:45 AM
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Lee Harrison: Really high-end servers use SRAM and capacitors (and/or batteries). The basic physics was sound for PCM/PRAM as well, initially, until it turned out that the basic physics was actually quite misunderstood and wrong. HP and Hynix have neither the resources nor the management attention to produce a new chip within 18 months. Period. Samsung, who actually may have a better patent portfolio for the memristor, have learned their lesson after the PRAM fiasco. IBM is finished - just look at their millipede storage (those are the same people who are "working" on PCM/PRAM after that disaster). So, no IBM is not rolling out any memristor cache.

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rick merritt   10/7/2011 12:56:02 AM
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Kudos to HP Labs and Stan for getting to a point where a product is on the--albeit distant--horizon. Clearly there are many pitfalls between now and 2013 they will have to avoid, but this is (literally) promising.

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Volatile Memory   10/7/2011 10:14:50 AM
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rick.merritt: Maybe a good word to Ms. Whitman may save Stan's job?

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resistion   10/7/2011 7:08:11 AM
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"However, in 2008 researchers from HP published a paper in Nature that tied the hysterical I-V characteristics of two-terminal titanium oxide devices to the memristor prediction of Chua." It's hysterical, all right.

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resistion   10/7/2011 7:09:27 AM
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Perhaps even floating gate is a memristance, or some memimpedance, no?

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RobDinsmore   10/7/2011 11:53:59 AM
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"hysterical I-V characteristics" I am pretty sure you meant "hysteretic".

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Peter Clarke   10/7/2011 4:13:51 PM
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You could be right....if there are two adjectives derived from hysteresis.

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PJames   10/7/2011 10:56:24 PM
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I think at best I-V characteristics are mildly amusing.

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nicolas.mokhoff   10/7/2011 2:36:49 PM
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A little perspective to early semiconductor memory history provides that there needs to be a need from a customer for a new technology. Is there a compelling one for the memristor? From TI's early days chronicles: "In the early 1970s, a customer approached TI to develop a 1-K MOS memory, but the company elected not to pursue the contract because of insufficient design resources. Memory activities began in earnest when TI second-sourced Intel's 1K-DRAM. Later, TI began a conversion from metal gate to silicon gate designs. In 1972, a decision had to be made to predict the next generation of DRAM, either 2K or 4K. TI started a 4K program, which turned out to be the right choice. The 4-K DRAM became a significant product in the industry. By 1974, TI had 4K DRAMs (both 18- and 22-pin versions) available."

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Phil White   10/7/2011 3:44:44 PM
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There was a flurry of news abut memristors maybe 6-9 months ago, then, for the last few months, now news at all. Then a few days ago, there was news from Unity Semiconductor about their memristor device. Now, a few days later, this news from HP/Hynix. I hope it's all true, but it's hard to know. What I don't understand is that Hynix and Toshiba (Samsung?) recently stated http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4217803/Hynix-Toshiba-MRAM that STT-MRAM was the future and didn't even mention memristors. What's going on here?

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resistion   10/7/2011 9:53:08 PM
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No one knows what memories will be used in a few years, so the Korean companies are covering all bases, while other places are only betting on some candidates (not enough government support).

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Code Monkey   10/7/2011 4:32:56 PM
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I hope HP has a more catchy name than "memristor" for its technology. Saying I'm going to "re-memristor my BIOS" doesn't sound right. Maybe TRAM, where the T is for Titanium.

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PJames   10/7/2011 11:12:06 PM
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Everybody is used to the name Flash so perhaps even though it really isn't flash erased, they should stick with that. I'm thinking since it's resistive, it could be Flash-r memory.

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resistion   10/9/2011 12:33:04 PM
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I'd be surprised if HP overturns Hynix's flash rollout, they can't even come through on their consumer electronics and PC divisions.

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any1   10/7/2011 6:20:20 PM
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If HP/Hynix can deliver on this promise it would truly be disruptive to the memory industry as we know it today. But given the sparse details about this technology, I take this announcement as more wishful thinking than a solid plan.

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resistion   10/7/2011 8:53:24 PM
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There could be a flaw in the application of memristance to describe these new memories, as the efficiency of converting electron current to state changes is not 100%.

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elctrnx_lyf   10/9/2011 2:36:23 AM
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Atleast the statements sound really confident about the schedule. I do not think they have to release the complete roadmap to public now. If they can get it right I hope this will keep HP back on track.

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jg_   10/9/2011 11:45:27 PM
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I was surprised HP tried to tag this to the Leon Chua work in 1971 (based on charge and flux) - there is no technical basis for doing that, as HP's design has neither charge nor flux, but perhaps it was a ploy to protect against counter patent claims, and it talks-up share prices ? Can anyone imagine the old HP placing bluff and bluster, ahead of facts ?

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MButts   10/10/2011 5:53:16 PM
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The memristor is a resistive component which conducts current both ways, a fundamental disadvantage vs. semiconductor devices. A crosspoint matrix of memristors is filled with backdoor paths. Some sort of diode function is required for row-column selection. No mention in these press releases of how that is done. Presumably they're just not disclosing their solution to this problem. Time will tell.

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Peter Clarke   10/12/2011 10:20:49 AM
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@MButts I asked Stan Williams about how they coped with bypass paths and whether there is a need for blocking diodes or access transistors (which would hurt the goal of 4F2) and he said they were not required - but would not say more. I understand there are numerous access methods which get round this problem (pun) but I understand they add to complexity in the peripheral circuitry and sometimes in the matrix itself. So either way you hurt the goal of 4F2.

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resistion   10/12/2011 11:38:41 AM
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There are some schemes for dealing with the sneak paths, discussed in the literature. Without a doubt, when implemented, this class of memory would have to be stacked in multiple layers, resulting in much less than 4F2. But I think using Pt is an unattractive side of his memristor.

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Peter Clarke   10/12/2011 12:40:50 PM
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@resistion Platinum electrodes sandwiching titanium dioxide was an early manifestation of the RRAM/memristor. I am hearing that research groups have moved on to other contact materials and highly engineered stacks of metal-oxides layers. Clearly using fab friendly materials is one of the many things researchers are shooting for.

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top-shoppingmall   10/14/2011 1:44:42 AM
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Good post! HP and Hynix have neither the resources nor the management attention to produce a new chip within 18 months. read more info: http://www.top-shoppingmall.com/cctv-products-1.htm

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peralta_mike   10/18/2011 2:23:46 PM
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What good are memristors and other memory devices when the IT dept at my company will not allow me to send files bigger than 10MBytes through my email. I think someone needs to invent and implement a "mem-IT" dept so I can send bigger files!

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double-o-nothing   11/9/2011 5:48:38 AM
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Lots of devices are memristors or have memristive regimes of operation, where injected charge affects the I-V. HP is pulling a big scam on Hynix.

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Al123_#1   11/14/2011 3:31:18 PM
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What about FRAM? Ferroelectric memory cannot be ignored especially with TI backing it.

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double-o-nothing   12/28/2011 3:35:47 PM
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Spin torque MRAM should be a memristor, since the electrons get polarized and exert the torque in proportion to the number passing through.

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Jeffy   4/26/2012 10:49:14 PM
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Problem with FRAM is that it can't achieve equal or higher density than Memristors. We can use FRAM right now... through TI or Ramtron or who-ever. FRAM is cool but very expensive... and only available in low densities. 2012 is not the end of the world, it is maybe just the end of Flash? lol. Go for it HP!! You can do it.

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