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4/3/2012 02:18 PM EDT
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george.leopold   4/3/2012 2:54:11 PM
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Do we have our head in the clouds, or do you think "cloud-enhanced services" can help revive manufacturing?

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mcgrathdylan   4/3/2012 10:11:18 PM
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I am weary of the fact that Microsoft and Cisco funded the study. Still, it's encouraging that someone has some realistic ideas for reviving manufacturing in the U.S. A lot of people are interested in this issue, but very few, it seems to me, have proposed realistic solutions.

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rharding64   4/3/2012 10:53:43 PM
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I have a scenario that may help identify how exactly the 'Cloud' assists in manufacturing and development; it is frequently the case that everything that makes a product involves people that are located literally all over the planet! Case in point, while Manufacturing Test Engineer at Microsoft XBox, I found that some development teams were located in the Netherlands, EU, and Manufacturing in China, and product design and development in Redmond, WA. Consider the following scenario; say that there are developers at each of these locations that have a different piece to the product that they are responsible for. the goal is to put those pieces together in the 'cloud' to build it virtually there. so what happens is, each location has their physical piece to the product puzzle that they do extensive testing, and data acquisition of this testing. Then, the actual circuitry based tests are loaded up onto the cloud for sharing with the other team members where-ever they may be. These are extensive; as data is gathered on every significant circuit node at say, sub-microsecond timing resolution over the course of that test. so it effectively characterizes that circuit. then, we have results that can be put into a 'black box' that has inputs / outputs that can be interfaced. so this black box on the cloud interfaces to the REAL hardware in different locations. Why is doing this important?? When designing / building new product, bEFORE we can 'spin' the printed circuit board we have to be certain that the design is correct. provided that we can make these virtual connections to different hardware across the planet, then a picture begins to form and a full product as a system functionality specification is formulated under laboratory conditions. In the past, and currently, prototypes are sent worldwide, but with the cloud this virtual development/manufacturing makes it possible.

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george.leopold   4/4/2012 3:22:27 PM
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What rharding64 has described above is precisely what Zysman, et al, are focusing on. The cloud is being used as a platform for product design and development and, ultimately, becomes a tool to add value in the production process. This example highlights the fact that the cloud can be used for more than enhancing services or writing an app. The result was a real product and the value underlying remains in the West. As Zysman points out, the problem now is transferring some of that value from company stock prices into the pockets of design engineers and the domestic manufacturers of new products.

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daleste   4/4/2012 2:14:51 AM
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Interesting theory. I don't see how this can benefit the US more than any other country. The first thing the big companies will do is to out source the cloud.

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george.leopold   4/4/2012 1:42:48 PM
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It's true, geography no longer matters. But if you can use the cloud to add value to products, then you can avoid commoditization and at least compete in global markets.

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george.leopold   4/4/2012 3:30:35 PM
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While I was on the West coast talking to companies and thinkers about the evolution of manufacturing, I missed an important manufacturing conference in my own backyard. Richard McCormack, editor of Manufacturing & Technology News, posted an excellent report on the conference here: http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/manufacturing-policy-330121.html I recommend Richard's publication to anyone interested in reviving U.S. manufacturing. His was a voice in the wilderness when most of the tech community was embracing services and apps as the answer to our economic and employment problems.

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george.leopold   4/4/2012 3:52:15 PM
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Speaking of the "cloud" this just moved across the wires (even the military is getting into the act): Northrop Grumman Awarded Army Private Cloud Contract MCLEAN, Va., April 4, 2012 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) has been awarded an Army Private Cloud (APC2) contract by the U.S. Army. This contract will enable warfighters to have global access to information and allow the Army to achieve higher levels of computing efficiency, security and flexibility.

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Hasmon   4/4/2012 8:41:10 PM
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Well how the "Cloud" could certain revolutionize manufacturing makes no sense. Where it could help is in revolutionizing software development, enable mass software production. As for globalization, the cloud helps there too. For example, 24 hours in a day breaks down neatly into 3 8hour shifts. You could have a team in the USA/Canada, who works throughout the day and hands things off to a team across the pacific. They work for 8 hours and hand things off to a team in Europe. They then complete the cycle and give it back to the North American team. You could divide the teams by function (management/requirements, coding, testing), or just process the software pipeline in the same way in each location. This will enable 24 hour software development. If nothing else programmers could appreciate having overnight testing and bugfixes done to their code overseas.

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old account Frank Eory   4/5/2012 12:22:29 AM
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But not only software development. Way back in ancient history (1998-1999), I worked on a multi-continental IC design that used "the cloud" very effectively. Some of the major IP blocks were developed in the U.S. and others in Europe. Every morning at the beginning of our day here, we had a conference call with the team in Europe to get a data dump on their day's accomplishments, which files had been updated & checked in, what was next on the integration task list and so on. Of course we didn't call it "the cloud" -- it was just an NSF automount between our network and theirs, so we could all check files in & out of a single revision control repository. Today this kind of thing is very routine, and companies in the revision control & design management business have made it easy for teams all over the world to access a central repository on the web (or is it "the cloud"?), and yes, those time zone differences do allow for more progress to be made in each 24 hour day. But in the context of this article, I think the notion is that cloud-enhanced services and devices can boost manufacturing because they are more intelligent -- like the example the author gives of a U.S. crane manufacturer embedding intelligence (and connectivity) into his products to better compete with Chinese crane manufacturers. Of course, the point missed is that the Chinese can do exactly the same thing. If by "the cloud" we actually mean "embedded intelligence and connectivity" then I agree that this can add value to a wide variety of products and this could be a boost for manufacturing...but not only for U.S. manufacturers.

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jeremybirch   4/5/2012 2:54:46 PM
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This discussion seems to break down into: 1) use the internet to allow geographically dispersed teams, perhaps working across all time zones. This happens already in many companies both big and small (my company did it out of necessity when there were only 5 of us in 3 continents) 2) use huge shared computing power to run big jobs such as regression testing, simulation, finite element analysis, etc etc. Lots of things engineers do already but the cloud adds the element of not needing to own the hardware or justify buying it to the boss. However the cost of routinely using cloud resources all the time is higher than owning those same reosurces - it only works out cheap if you use a big resource for a small time 3) there is a possibility to make products seem a lot brighter than they are by letting them hook up to the cloud to deliver some of their functionality - look at Siri on the iPhone - the brains are not in the phone! So can we have cars, cranes etc which have very high capabilities but all that is builtin to the car is the sensors and actuators, the rest is in the cloud? The problems are: a) what happens when you lose the uplink?, b) what are the sensitivities to latency? c) how do you ensure that there is enough compute resource in the cloud to service all your products when they need it (eg simultaneously). EG if every iPhone owner uses Siri simultaneously - does this mean Apple needs to have a beefy server for every phone they sell?

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old account Frank Eory   4/5/2012 9:19:27 PM
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Your point #3 is what I was thinking of when I said "embedded intelligence and connectivity" -- Siri is a great example, getting her information from the cloud. And to answer your question about what happens when you lose the link, I think iPhone 4s users already know. Siri says "There's a problem. Try again later." That's a euphemism for "the Siri servers are overloaded right now and I can't get the information you asked for."

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Hasmon   4/12/2012 7:25:43 PM
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To that list you could add 4) using the cloud to enable users to work together seamless in ways to reduce the system configuration headaches associated with PCs, and networks.

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Embedded SW Dev   4/5/2012 5:07:45 PM
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Even for R&D purposes, the cloud is a great leveling agent. When designing a product that requires many hours of computation, only large companies were able to afford to buy enough computers and software to make it cost effective to do this. Now, large quantities of computers are available for rent on an hourly basis. Companies providing things like simulation software would be well advised to look at their business models, and how they could be profitable renting their software on a cloud rather than selling it.

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george.leopold   4/6/2012 2:19:14 PM
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This is precisely the type of cloud application Zysman, et al, believe will give innovative tech companies in the West a competitive edge. You leverage the cloud to add value during production --Zysman argues that even services are "produced." It's not manufacturing, per se, but we probably do need to start thinking about "production" in different ways. The bottom line is that if what you are producing also produces jobs with decent wages and a future, then it's a good thing.

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Bob Lacovara   4/6/2012 4:43:39 PM
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Does anyone have concerns about security of IP in the cloud? Let's see: let me take a bunch of Faberge eggs, put them all into a basket located I-don't-know-where, operated by who-knows-who, and just sit back and relax. Um. Mark Twain said that it was stupid to put all of your eggs in many different baskets, right? But he also added, "but watch that basket." This is the difficulty with the cloud: there's nothing to watch. You must depend upon unseen agencies to insure privacy and integrity of your property.

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george.leopold   4/6/2012 6:52:00 PM
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Bob: Ex-cyber warfare czar Richard Clarke is very concerned about IP security in the cloud. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/opinion/how-china-steals-our-secrets.html?scp=2&sq=Richard%20Clarke&st=cse

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SPLatMan   4/12/2012 7:50:12 AM
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Here in Australia the Government has barred Chinese maker Huawei from bidding to supply equipment for the new National Broadband Network. Good call!

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DrQuine   4/7/2012 9:58:53 PM
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I don't see how "the cloud can usher in the next wave of technological innovation and provide a new engine for economic growth". The cloud is the latest extension and implementation of the Internet revolution. Services continue to be developed and resources provided without regard to geographical boundaries. Some economies of scale are achieved with virtualization techniques that reduce the resources required to grow capabilities. I see the cloud as an evolutionary change, not a revolutionary one.

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Hasmon   4/12/2012 7:29:14 PM
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If anything, the cloud might be the very thing industry needs to suck IT and creative jobs out of the US and spread among talented people all around the world. It would be to IT what cheap oil prices and transportation systems are to manufacturing.

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Rayan daris   6/7/2012 3:32:55 PM
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Preserving the earth must be our major priority for green energy and energy saving and the points explained in the post are clear and all are proving . My point is that cloud computing is still not yet developed enough , though it is very advantageous for business management in term of work effectiveness and management cost ; However; since I have read some stuff about cloud computing security herein http://cloudswave.com/blog , plus some expert point of view here in the discussion, i become somewhat septic to invest in,so to what extent it is safe for data storing , so which are the best reliable companies affording quality services ,

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Aleksander.Wyka   12/21/2012 4:09:56 PM
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http://www.manucloud-project.eu is another example. I believe that our only survival is in patents , carbon footprint tax, disclosure statement on social responsibility by Global companies. Manufactured products will have to be supplied through the provision of services where product-service at the end of their life cycle will have to be fully recycled. You can also motivate consumers and politicians in buying local if you fund their retirement or healthcare through that schema ... no motivation no result !

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