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DRAM, foundry logic in race to use EUV, says ASML

4/19/2012 12:24 PM EDT
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any1   4/19/2012 1:05:38 PM
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My understanding is that Intel has already frozen their 14 nm design rules so EUV will not be Intel's litho tool of choice at 14 nm. Since the biggest ship (Intel) has already sailed and the IBM fab club and TSMC must be close behind them who does that leave? I think ASML is just now admitting what has been apparent for several months, that EUV will miss yet another major node.

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KB3001   4/22/2012 1:08:50 PM
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Is not it inevitable that EUV will eventually win at some lower process node?

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resistion   4/22/2012 3:23:49 PM
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I think now a problem is EUV cannot be superior for more than one or two nodes over the existing lithography. That may not be enough to justify. Also the issues are not monitored completely enough. Besides source power, how about defects, LER?

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Diogenes53   4/26/2012 1:41:06 AM
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So it was believed at 65, 45, 32, 22, 14, and, now, 10nm. Inevitable at each node. Definition:unable to be avoided, evaded, or escaped; certain; necessary: an inevitable conclusion. 2. sure to occur, happen, or come; unalterable: The inevitable end of human life is death. Particularly as regards #2, is EUV as "inevitable" as death? If so, I now feel immortal!

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Diogenes53   4/26/2012 1:44:24 AM
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This was from the same EE Times issue:Source problems cause EUV revenue delay, says ASML Peter Clarke 4/19/2012 8:14 AM EDT LONDON Lithography equipment developer ASML Holding NV (Veldhoven, The Netherlands) has said that a delay in the availability of illumination power sources has prompted it to push out revenue recognition on the first two production EUV lithography machines, currently being assembled at the company's headquarters. Sound inevitable?

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Diogenes53   7/4/2012 2:22:20 PM
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The ONLY inevitabilities are death and taxes. I assure you EUV (x-ray!) is not inevitable.

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Diogenes53   7/4/2012 2:24:01 PM
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ASML is perfectly happy to sell two wildly profitable immersion tools for double patterning instead of one unprofitable jerryrigged, Rube Goldberg soft x-ray machine

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resistion   4/19/2012 1:58:37 PM
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Logic needs defect-free EUV, which means inspection tools ASML has no influence over. DRAM has billions of contacts which each require a noisier level of EUV photons, so they will require dose to increase for higher resolution. ASML has done all it could under its control, no one will fault it for giving up EUV. Unless it won its immersion orders by promising EUV.

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resistion   4/19/2012 2:03:54 PM
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Actually has the same noise problem as DRAM. ASML better focus on faster immersion tools.

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resistion   4/19/2012 2:05:01 PM
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Logic has the same noise problem as DRAM.

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PV-Geek   4/20/2012 12:52:49 AM
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There is an underlying assumption in this discussion that the cost of an EUV tool that could meet 100WPH would actually be lower cost than a triple patterning immersion solution. Especially when you add in the potential need to regularly replace EUV masks due to defects that occur without a pellicle to protect them. What would be the reaction if after they finally get it working it costs more than multi-patterning methods?

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double-o-nothing   4/20/2012 1:35:26 AM
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If 14 or 10 nm is expected to be the "last" node for practical purposes, there won't be any opportunity for next-generation litho insertion.

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Diogenes53   4/26/2012 1:36:43 AM
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Thank goodness the "race" to EUV, which started as a sprint (coming at 65nm), has "ended" in a marathon (1nm?). Sadly, for those users who invested their careers in EUV, it is more like SETI, the endless search for extraterrestrial life. It may happen, but not likely in our lifetime. Does Mr. Meurice care? Of course not. EUV/SXPL (yes, fans, it is STILL x-ray). As long as he can sell 2 immersion tools without meaningful competition, EUV remains a shell game.

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Diogenes53   4/26/2012 1:43:42 AM
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In this same issue of EE Times: Source problems cause EUV revenue delay, says ASML Peter Clarke 4/19/2012 8:14 AM EDT LONDON Lithography equipment developer ASML Holding NV (Veldhoven, The Netherlands) has said that a delay in the availability of illumination power sources has prompted it to push out revenue recognition on the first two production EUV lithography machines, currently being assembled at the company's headquarters. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ the more things change.......

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MarineDir   6/11/2012 9:53:00 AM
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The industry will be waiting for the next big player for EUV manufacturers. The manufacturer that is able to produce EUV litho machines for the market will stand to get an early lead, an because the global demand will be met by them, they will gain a sizeable share in the market as well. This would be an interesting development to follow, and hopefully there will be more updates on this. Mary - http://www.jensenmarinedirect.com

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resistion   7/4/2012 2:37:20 PM
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The fact is, 20 nm has come to pass without EUV. And EUV is already too slow for 20 nm and below. http://www.electroiq.com/articles/sst/2012/06/euvl-workshop-focuses-on-source-power-timing.html

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